Christof's Human Generation/Rank Increase

[Jer Berus]

I went to Silver Mines 2, where the Silver Mines 1 entrance opens up midway through the level...and I farmed the infinite rat hole area (and killed Ahzra). Then, I kept farming until I reached 5,000 XP. Christof's Rank increased (stated in yellow) from Acolyte to Crusader! His health went from 100-->120, and his Mana went from 110-->130. Yes, I am aware that this is the equivalent of going from Fledgeling to Neonate. I am aware that some know that raising Faith from 50 to 60 will raise Christof's vampiric rank from Fledgeling to Neonate, so I'm going to test to see what happens next when I get embraced while having both flags met. From GOG's the "Did You Know" forum, they state that your blood pool will be less if you raise your rank with just increasing Faith those 10 points. I'm curious as to what his human rank/generation will be upon reaching 10,000 XP before being embraced (solved!). I won't farm any further than that, though, because "Ain't nobody got time for that."

[GrandMajora]

Generation is not affected by XP, you will always begin as a 9th generation, because your Sire was 8th.

However, if you take the opportunity to commit Diablerie later on in the story, your generation is reduced to 8.

It's been a while since I played, but if the ranks in game work the same way as they do in books, then your vampire should progress from:


Fledgling.

Neonate.

Ancilla.

Elder.

Methuselah.

[Jer Berus]

You have a point. I was calling it "generation" because the vtmr fandom page about Blood pool has a section on "generation" which should probably be renamed to "rank", as it describes the ranks. That said, there are two ways to start out as a Neonate. One is by farming the rat at the place mentioned. The other is by putting 10 points into faith before becoming embraced. If you increase your rank either of those two ways, you start out with 120 health and 80 Blood Pool as a Neonate vampire...instead of 100 health and 80 Blood Pool as a Fledgeling vampire. Not doing those two things means that you'll rank up normally. I'm serious about having farmed this same respawning rat about 900 times (9,000 XP) by the end of this trial. I want Christof to wield that Blessed Broadsword that badly. This is the only way that I know how to do this without cheating. I'm getting my Manipulation up to 60 (minimum) in order to sell everything that I own in-game to be able to afford that Blessed Broadsword for that sweet 40 Faith Damage, 25 Accuracy, and 111 Speed...if Christof can continue to wield it as a vampire...which I will determine in the next hour.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Jer Berus:

You have a point. I was calling it "generation" because the vtmr fandom page about Blood pool has a section on "generation" which should probably be renamed to "rank", as it describes the ranks.

That's because 'rank' doesn't really exist in the table top. Fledgling and all that stuff denotes a vampire's age, not their power level.


Fledgling - Brand new vampire, probably still lives with their Sire.

Neonate - Younger than 50 years.

Ancilla - Older than 50 years.

Elder - Older than 150 years.

Methuselah - Older than 1,000 years.

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Out of curiosity, what infinite rat spawn are you talking about? And sadly, I don't think you can use blessed weaponry as a vampire.

Blessed gear is reserved for humans, which are a more viable option in multiplayer. Sadly, the multiplayer servers were shut down a very long time ago, and you need some kind of modded, 3rd party software to be able to play the fan made emulator version.

[Jer Berus]

Midway through Silver Mines Level 2 is a ramp down to Silver Mines Level 1, which is inaccessible from Silver mines Level 1 if you haven't gone down there from SM Level 2. The infinite rat spawn occurs when you exit the level down, return back to SM Lvl 2, and completely cross the bridge to the left for like 3-4 steps. Then, get back on the bridge. Turn around, and the rat respawns from its little rat hole. To clarify, one rat spawns at a time. Exit the level. Return. Kill rat. Exit. Ad Nauseum.

[Jer Berus]

Okay, so his Human rank increase at 10,000 XP is PALADIN. It comes with 160 Health and 170 Mana. The Blessed Broadsword doesn't seem to be doing damage at all as a human against the Schlatchka or the Premysyls. In the last second before Christof's embrace, I was able to let him equip it, though now, the Blessed Broadsword shows up in red (though equipped). As expected, his Rank is Ancillae, but as this is his first time as a vampire, his Bloodpool is still a whopping 80. It is definitely not worth your time to do this. I am glad to have tested it out for the last 6 hours, though. Wilhem's Neonate Bloodpool is 120 because he was created to have ranked up normally. Now, against the Petrin Hill Cappadocians, 2 hits, and they're ashes, so now, it's a very nice sword that Vampire Christof can use, so long as he doesn't un-equip it. I haven't tested it out on any other enemies at this point.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Jer Berus:

Okay, so his Human rank increase at 10,000 XP is PALADIN. It comes with 160 Health and 170 Mana. The Blessed Broadsword doesn't seem to be doing damage at all as a human against the Schlatchka or the Premysyls. In the last second before Christof's embrace, I was able to let him equip it, though now, the Blessed Broadsword shows up in red (though equipped). As expected, his Rank is Ancillae, but as this is his first time as a vampire, his bloodpool is still a whopping 80. It is definitely not worth your time to do this. I am glad to have tested it out for the last 6 hours, though. Wilhem's Neonate Bloodpool is 120 because he was created to have ranked up normally. Now, against the Petrin Hill Cappadocians, 2 hits, and they're ashes, so now, it's a very nice sword thave Vampire Christof can use, so long as he doesn't unequip it. I haven't tested it out on any other enemies at this point.

Also, should probably mention that Faith is something that Christof only gets when he's Human. It disappears completely from his character sheet after his embrace, so I don't know how to correlates to him getting a power increase or not?

There do exists True Faith powers in the game that Human characters can learn to wield, but they seem to be exclusive to multiplayer mode.

[Jer Berus]

It's probably only "powerful" because the base damage on the Blessed Broadsword is 40 FAITH, which hurts vampires just like Aggravated damage would. It's like he's got a holy-water-covered sword. Plus, the Blessed Broadsword has an Accuracy of 20 and a Speed of 111 (1-handed). The accuracy and speed make this a pretty awesome weapon, when enemies can be damaged by faith, anyway. You are correct in that his Faith attribute disappears once he's embraced, as it gets replaced with Frenzy.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Jer Berus:

It's probably only "powerful" because the base damage on the Blessed Broadsword is 40 FAITH, which hurts vampires just like Aggravated damage would. It's like he's got a holy-water-covered sword. Plus, the Blessed Broadsword has an Accuracy of 20 and a Speed of 111 (1-handed). The accuracy and speed make this a pretty awesome weapon, when enemies can be damaged by faith, anyway. You are correct in that his Faith attribute disappears once he's embraced, as it gets replaced with Frenzy.

If it's any consolation, there is also Unholy gear that can still be wielded by vampires, but it requires a low Humanity rating in order to use it.

WARNING: Unlike in Bloodlines, you can not repurchase or earn back your Humanity points. Once you lose Humanity, it is gone for the rest of that playthrough, unless you load up a previous save.

When your Humanity reaches 0, you get a permanent frenzy and it's game over. So you have to be real careful when trying to equip Unholy gear.

[Jer Berus]

Through certain dialogue options from Vampire The Masquerade: Redemption, you can, in fact, increase or decrease your Humanity, as seen here: https://vtmr.fandom.com/wiki/Humanity