Is Contractors a good alternative to Pavlov

[EE02TARGZ]

Since Update 29 and so on is going to destroy the playerbase of Pavlov and it's mods as well as not seeing as much players as before recently, I've been looking into alts like Contractors.

[Big Poppa]

You can play contractors online and not have it ruined by cheaters.

[XIII]

引用自 Jimmy：

Contractors has a whole bunch of really well done mods (should be pointed out they're also on mod.io for those thinking that pavlov using it is bad), like Halo and Battlefront and even Titanfall. If I'm not playing those I generally stick to TDM or gungame.

If you're looking for something more similar to the 5v5 team based thing I'd recommend looking at Vail which is also very heavily CS inspired and does it SUPER well, or if you like swinging through windows and are more inclinde towards R6 Siege check out the Breachers Alpha (which is WAY too polished to be called an alpha)[github.com]

Why do people keep trying to hype Vail? That game is in early access and basically dead. To try to get other people playing without mentioning the playerbase is a bit dishonest.

[Pvt Tommy]

引用自 XIII：

引用自 Jimmy：

Contractors has a whole bunch of really well done mods (should be pointed out they're also on mod.io for those thinking that pavlov using it is bad), like Halo and Battlefront and even Titanfall. If I'm not playing those I generally stick to TDM or gungame.

If you're looking for something more similar to the 5v5 team based thing I'd recommend looking at Vail which is also very heavily CS inspired and does it SUPER well, or if you like swinging through windows and are more inclinde towards R6 Siege check out the Breachers Alpha (which is WAY too polished to be called an alpha)[github.com]

Why do people keep trying to hype Vail? That game is in early access and basically dead. To try to get other people playing without mentioning the playerbase is a bit dishonest.

Vail was supposed to be free to play. Even if it was free to play, I probably wouldn't play it since it's only focus is being competitive. Nothing for the casual player.

[XIII]

引用自 Swattii：

Vail was supposed to be free to play. Even if it was free to play, I probably wouldn't play it since it's only focus is being competitive. Nothing for the casual player.

To be fair, CSGO is focussing on competitive and has a big casual audience anyway, and Pavolv is based on CS. So competitive features and casual play dont exclude each other.

The problem with Vail is more... it doesnt matter how good an online game is when nobody plays it. Pavlovs PC playerbase is a bit too small for comfort, and Vail is a fraction of that.

[Pvt Tommy]

引用自 XIII：

引用自 Swattii：

Vail was supposed to be free to play. Even if it was free to play, I probably wouldn't play it since it's only focus is being competitive. Nothing for the casual player.

To be fair, CSGO is focussing on competitive and has a big casual audience anyway, and Pavolv is based on CS. So competitive features and casual play dont exclude each other.

The problem with Vail is more... it doesnt matter how good an online game is when nobody plays it. Pavlovs PC playerbase is a bit too small for comfort, and Vail is a fraction of that.

That's the thing though, both CSgo and Pavlov have things to offer to both competitive and casual audiences. What I'm trying to say is that Vail only caters to one group which happens to be the smallest percentage of players. You see what I'm getting at?

[XIII]

引用自 Swattii：

That's the thing though, both CSgo and Pavlov have things to offer to both competitive and casual audiences. What I'm trying to say is that Vail only caters to one group which happens to be the smallest percentage of players. You see what I'm getting at?

Oh right, now I get what youre saying. That makes total sense, I wasnt aware Vail pulled that much towards competitive.

If you put it like thats, its actually mental how poor of a decision this focus is. Especially with VR-shooters, with its tiny audiences and somewhat difficult to learn game systems.

Kind of a shame, because the idea of making a VR shooter, with strong enough mechanics to support a competitive scene would be pretty neat. I like Pavolv, but it misses the marks in a few ways, its a bit janky.
But I cant see how Vail has any future, with early access, tiny playersbase and no road to larger scale success.

[Jimmy]

引用自 XIII：

To try to get other people playing without mentioning the playerbase is a bit dishonest.

I'm not hyping anything, I'm telling people what I play. I have had harder times finding games in Pavlov than in Vail. I have yet have issues finding servers to play on.

Pavlov may have more players (though actual counts suggest reported numbers are inaccurate) but it would seem they're spread pretty thin across all the various maps and modes. Vail has it's normal 5v5 and one CTF map so if what you want is proper 5v5 then you're still going to find more of those game going at any given time.

I know there are a lot of people that are super mad for reasons but it's a good game with plenty of players to have a good time.

[XIII]

引用自 Jimmy：

I'm not hyping anything, I'm telling people what I play. I have had harder times finding games in Pavlov than in Vail. I have yet have issues finding servers to play on.

Pavlov may have more players (though actual counts suggest reported numbers are inaccurate) but it would seem they're spread pretty thin across all the various maps and modes. Vail has it's normal 5v5 and one CTF map so if what you want is proper 5v5 then you're still going to find more of those game going at any given time.

I know there are a lot of people that are super mad for reasons but it's a good game with plenty of players to have a good time.

Youre being dishonest when youre pretending people are just mad at VAIL. Especially when I said that its a shame that it doesnt seem to go anywhere.

Or thats anyone can just get reliably games. Play it in the wrong place, wrong timezone, and you get no games at all, from what I can say. The playerbase is down to 40 average, on a declining tendency.

In some regions this game is already dead, and its only gonna get worse on the current trajectory.

Pavlov might be off, no clue, but its 1000. And with PSVR crossplay, its gonna be the most popular VR online shooter by a margin.

[Andrei Jenkov]

pavlov has bigger shortcomings than contractors but less of them

[Orgvi]

Contractor has worse sound design and recoil. More features with far less polish. Detailed maps that aren't fun to play. It's only good for mods.

[Pvt Tommy]

引用自 Orgvi：

Contractor has worse sound design and recoil. More features with far less polish. Detailed maps that aren't fun to play. It's only good for mods.

Recoil is subjective at best. It really depends on what you're looking for at that point.

[King Whiffer]

I like contractors but not more than Pavlov. The mods in contractors are easy to add and play. Joined a battlefront 2 server with custom maps, models, sounds, and weapons. Was pretty cool.

[King Whiffer]

I bought Vail for $7 and basically regret it. Not a fan of the weapon handling. There is a tiny bit of weapon sway/lag that makes it hard for me to aim properly. Every other game works great.

[Pvt Tommy]

引用自 XIII：

If you put it like thats, its actually mental how poor of a decision this focus is. Especially with VR-shooters, with its tiny audiences and somewhat difficult to learn game systems.

Interesting that you mention that. To me, Pavlov feels good but when I play something like Zero Caliber VR, something about it feels off. I use virtual stocks for both so the settings aren't exactly the same.

[Orgvi]

引用自 Swattii：

引用自 Orgvi：

Contractor has worse sound design and recoil. More features with far less polish. Detailed maps that aren't fun to play. It's only good for mods.

Recoil is subjective at best. It really depends on what you're looking for at that point.

Contractor and Pavlov use the same recoil pattern system, the issue is Contractors patterns are vertically compressed and go far more right then left. While Pavlov makes good use of patterns that are both similar and different for each gun and have proper rise and fall off, starting wide vertical and compressed horizontal and ending opposite, to raise the skill ceiling. Contractors boils down to moving your non-dominant hand slightly down right.