Can't aim with P90

[Supernoxus]

Every time I use its iron sights, the gun shoots so far below that I can't even see my own shots.
I thought that maybe it's just me and I don't know how to use them properly, so I switched to a red dot sight.
It STILL shoots below the red dot. Surely that can't be my fault anymore.
What's up with that? Is it because the sights are unreasonably high due to how tall the weapon is? Is there ever going to be a fix for it? If not, then it might be better to replace the P90 with a weapon that actually works properly with the way you coded shooting mechanics.

[Peh]

I've noticed that, too. The gun needs to be fixed.

[Captain Baldy]

I think it's just a matter of getting used to it. In TDM I use the P90 a lot and the great thing I like about it is it is deadly accurate, Combined with a habit of short bursts, aiming for the neck and head area, i once got accused of cheating. The HOLO sight is best used in my opinion with the P90.

[Dwarfy2k]

I don't use the P90 cause it's not that good, any rifle or UMP/Bizon have 100% armour pen so are better for killing. The P90's iron sights are correct though remember sights are designed for certain distances. So close up your gonna have a bad time with many sights on non-pistols. Red dot is 25m and holo is 50m.

[Supernoxus]

Originally posted by Dwarfy2k:

I don't use the P90 cause it's not that good, any rifle or UMP/Bizon have 100% armour pen so are better for killing. The P90's iron sights are correct though remember sights are designed for certain distances. So close up your gonna have a bad time with many sights on non-pistols. Red dot is 25m and holo is 50m.

I tried firing the P90 on larger distances and the issue persisted as far as I could tell.

Originally posted by Oily:

I think it's just a matter of getting used to it. In TDM I use the P90 a lot and the great thing I like about it is it is deadly accurate, Combined with a habit of short bursts, aiming for the neck and head area, i once got accused of cheating. The HOLO sight is best used in my opinion with the P90.

I have over a 100 hours in that game. How much "getting used to" do I need until my shots stop firing below my iron sights where I can't even see? Or are you just talking about living with how broken it is?

[Captain Baldy]

Hey it's not my fault you suck with the P90. !00 hours is not much by the way - keep trying or just give up (shrug)

[Supernoxus]

Originally posted by Oily:

Hey it's not my fault you suck with the P90. !00 hours is not much by the way - keep trying or just give up (shrug)

No need to spread hate. I am happy for you that you shred with the P90, but even you have to realize that there is something off with its sights and you too would profit from it being fixed.

Maybe you aren't sure what I mean. I could upload a video of the issue if you'd like me to.

[Captain Baldy]

There is nothing wrong with the P90 in my opinion, and for the record I was just responding to your passive aggression with similar but now I feel bad.

The P90 with iron sights is never going to be easy to start with but the trick I found when using the iron sights is not to use them at all. if all you have are iron sights then for me the weapon is best used as a first burst (watch my tracer) and second burst will be dead on the mark with only a very slight adjustment.

With holo sights all you need to do is practice shooting for neck and head area and it wont take long before people are calling you a cheater. What other smg's lacks over the P90 is accuracy.

Sorry for the rudeness, but I'm bald and have a monobrow

[Supernoxus]

Originally posted by Oily:

There is nothing wrong with the P90 in my opinion, and for the record I was just responding to your passive aggression with similar but now I feel bad.

The P90 with iron sights is never going to be easy to start with but the trick I found when using the iron sights is not to use them at all. if all you have are iron sights then for me the weapon is best used as a first burst (watch my tracer) and second burst will be dead on the mark with only a very slight adjustment.

With holo sights all you need to do is practice shooting for neck and head area and it wont take long before people are calling you a cheater. What other smg's lacks over the P90 is accuracy.

Sorry for the rudeness, but I'm bald and have a monobrow

I did not mean to be passive aggressive, though I can easily see why it was perceived that way. I apologize.

[Dwarfy2k]

Have you tried switching to left eye rendering? I found when I switched to that I stopped having issues as it ended up being my dominate eye

[Weissbrot]

I didn't notice anything wrong with the P90, maybe its because the sights of the P90 are much higher than the barrel compared to the rest of the weapons, but does it really matter? The P90 is one of the worst weapons anyways, and i wouldn't really use it tbh

[Junt]

Pavlov VR uses bullet drop and sights the irons realistically. To account for the ballistic curve where the sight meets the bullet, the iron sights are "zero'd" at specific distances. This is why your bullet will end up below your irons sight when you shoot the target in the shooting range at point blank distance. This is most apparent with the SMGs. If you are on a large enough map you should be able to physically see in the tracer rounds in the ballistic curve happen in real time since Pavlov VR uses projectile weapons instead of hitscan. As Dwarfy2k said earlier, Red dot is sighted in at 25 meters and the Holo sight is 50 meters.

[Supernoxus]

Originally posted by Junt:

Pavlov VR uses bullet drop and sights the irons realistically. To account for the ballistic curve where the sight meets the bullet, the iron sights are "zero'd" at specific distances. This is why your bullet will end up below your irons sight when you shoot the target in the shooting range at point blank distance. This is most apparent with the SMGs. If you are on a large enough map you should be able to physically see in the tracer rounds in the ballistic curve happen in real time since Pavlov VR uses projectile weapons instead of hitscan. As Dwarfy2k said earlier, Red dot is sighted in at 25 meters and the Holo sight is 50 meters.

Thanks for your response.

I fired the P90 with the mentioned sights at 25 and 50 meters, and the shots really zero'd in on the target.
When shooting point blank, I also noticed that other SMGs shoot slightly below where I am aiming. However the P90 still shoots way, way below where I am shooting at when at point blank range.

This is of course just my opinion, but I think that there is a point where realism has to give way to fun. 25 or even 50 meters gives you barely any pixels to work with anymore, even on a valve index headset. Additionally, nearly all maps in this game are about close quarter combat. Lastly, all other weapons behave in a similar way when aiming, making you raise an eyebrow when one of them is so far off course.
All of this makes precise aiming using sights with this gun borderline unusable for the majority of maps. That's about the point where I'd start wondering why this weapon was included in the first place and how it benefits Pavlov's overall gameplay or could be improved.

[Maerdoch]

I rock a sniper scope on the P90 all the time, it's the ♥♥♥♥! Long range you might have to aim slightly above but other than that it's bang on.