Stalwart: What would you do with it?

[Quill]

The Stalwart clearly needs something done with it as it heavily underperforms compared to other support weapons

If you gave it Medium Pen then what would be the point of the MG-43? Make it a Primary? Then the Liberators will have no purpose.

It obviously needs SOMETHING but due to the nature of it and the weapons around it the weapon is very hard to change

What I would do if I could change it is have it take up the Primary Weapon slot HOWEVER you can only get it as a Stratagem call-in. Maybe it doesn't cost a reinforcement point or not depending upon how it affects the balance. The idea is you can either use that Stratagem slot for something like an Airstrike or Orbital Stratagem OR use that slot to get a really good Primary weapon you can use alongside the other support weapons

[Key]

Real talk, any support weapon that can't take down a tank, gunship/dropship, a hulk, a charger or titan just isn't worth bringing over one that can. Armor makes them all worthless since we already have primaries for unarmored/light armored enemies.

[IconianCat]

Originally posted by Quill:

The Stalwart clearly needs something done with it as it heavily underperforms compared to other support weapons

If you gave it Medium Pen then what would be the point of the MG-43? Make it a Primary? Then the Liberators will have no purpose.

It obviously needs SOMETHING but due to the nature of it and the weapons around it the weapon is very hard to change

What I would do if I could change it is have it take up the Primary Weapon slot HOWEVER you can only get it as a Stratagem call-in. Maybe it doesn't cost a reinforcement point or not depending upon how it affects the balance. The idea is you can either use that Stratagem slot for something like an Airstrike or Orbital Stratagem OR use that slot to get a really good Primary weapon you can use alongside the other support weapons

stalwarts only real problem is it competes for the same slot as the heavy anti armor weapons. if we had a primary that was semi viable for killing medium armors like the devastators and striders or the hive guards then you can use the stalwart for trash clear instead of your primary. thats its only real problem.

[Swanky McSwanky Pants]

Originally posted by Key:

Real talk, any support weapon that can't take down a tank, gunship/dropship, a hulk, a charger or titan just isn't worth bringing over one that can. Armor makes them all worthless since we already have primaries for unarmored/light armored enemies.

You underestimate swarm enemies on helldive, having a good CC support weapon goes a long way and as long as your team is bringing some AT theres nothing wrong with diversifying

[Swanky McSwanky Pants]

Originally posted by IconianCat:

Originally posted by Quill:

The Stalwart clearly needs something done with it as it heavily underperforms compared to other support weapons

If you gave it Medium Pen then what would be the point of the MG-43? Make it a Primary? Then the Liberators will have no purpose.

It obviously needs SOMETHING but due to the nature of it and the weapons around it the weapon is very hard to change

What I would do if I could change it is have it take up the Primary Weapon slot HOWEVER you can only get it as a Stratagem call-in. Maybe it doesn't cost a reinforcement point or not depending upon how it affects the balance. The idea is you can either use that Stratagem slot for something like an Airstrike or Orbital Stratagem OR use that slot to get a really good Primary weapon you can use alongside the other support weapons

stalwarts only real problem is it competes for the same slot as the heavy anti armor weapons. if we had a primary that was semi viable for killing medium armors like the devastators and striders or the hive guards then you can use the stalwart for trash clear instead of your primary. thats its only real problem.

Dominator, scorcher, and the slugger before the devs nerfed it for no reason are all good med armor options

[Dav]

You can do something like EAT + Stalwart

I honestly think they should nerf it a bit and make it a primary so you can do a double MG build

[MagikarpMagi]

Originally posted by Dav:

You can do something like EAT + Stalwart

I honestly think they should nerf it a bit and make it a primary so you can do a double MG build

Sickle+MG/Stally is basically double MG build. I go full support fire sometimes and get my bullets shot above 7k easily lol

[A Lamp]

Originally posted by Deadoon:

The stalwart operates kind of like a big liberator, in every way. With heavier primaries appearing, it is likely to be increasingly more valuable. Even something like dominator is starting to push it. I've also been thinking about running dominator-stalwart-EAT as a build, but haven't gotten around to testing that.

It has some pretty massive pickups for ammo supply, being so much higher than the mg-43. The mg43 gets 150 ammo from a small box or the supply box, while the stalwart gets 250/500. This puts it kind of in a league of it's own for ammo sustain. If it becomes your primary and something like the dominator/eruptor/some future weapon becomes your special gun, that might work.

Still it works well against anything devestator tier or less.

This is coming from someone who operates often at diff 7.

that triple threat loadout you got there sounds great. W efficient play, no prob can handle 9 w a good team w queso cannons. Been wanting to reuse the stalwart, it has absolute bucket tons of damage in its total ammo if you’re fully aware of its armor pen

[Dakota]

Make it a primary. Liberators already have no purpose.

So we have liberator, defender, and sickle all doing the same general thing. Defender has better dps than liberator and worse dps than sickle and has no scope but is one handed. Sickle has a great scope and the best DPS but has a short delay before firing. Liberator has a good scope, the worst DPS, and no delay before firing.

Just raise the damage per shot on it (and like double the diligence or something) so it has a nice mixed role as AR that can also act with precision shots well.

[EggTBD]

Use it to earn some medals every several days when it comes up on the personal orders.

[Mitzuriki]

Honestly I wish the Stalwart is Primary instead of Support Weps just like in HD1. Maybe only give you 3 mags total (2 reloads)

[Kashra Fall]

Originally posted by Key:

Real talk, any support weapon that can't take down a tank, gunship/dropship, a hulk, a charger or titan just isn't worth bringing over one that can. Armor makes them all worthless since we already have primaries for unarmored/light armored enemies.

A LMG with 250 rounds is designed to do what your primaries cannot do. Take down a lot of targets in a short time frame. Up the BPM to 1150 and you saw through anything that doesn't have med armor. This weapon's primary use (Imo) is bugs. It decimates bug breaches, hordes of hunters and helps to keep your team stay alive.

[Revalopod]

Originally posted by Zeromentor:

It's my favorite bug support weapon. Kills everything until Chargers and Bile Titans. Bring a Supply Backpack to not only add more Dakka per minute, but to also carry more grenades, stims, and the ability to rearm and reload your buddies.

But against the Bots you need something more explosive, so the Stalwart falls short against them.

I couldn't work out how to use the supply backpack :(

[Firestorm]

It's fine as is. Reloading on the run is fun, the huge ass magazine is fine, killing any unarmored foe is fine. But what about the heavy machine gun? That needs at least an aiming reticle like the other MGs..

[Dakota]

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Originally posted by Key:

Real talk, any support weapon that can't take down a tank, gunship/dropship, a hulk, a charger or titan just isn't worth bringing over one that can. Armor makes them all worthless since we already have primaries for unarmored/light armored enemies.

A LMG with 250 rounds is designed to do what your primaries cannot do. Take down a lot of targets in a short time frame. Up the BPM to 1150 and you saw through anything that doesn't have med armor. This weapon's primary use (Imo) is bugs. It decimates bug breaches, hordes of hunters and helps to keep your team stay alive.

That's cool and all except we have primaries that do it fine, sickle and incendiary breaker come to mind instantly, the others aren't particularly bad either, and one of the big issues in bugs is how many things do end up having medium armor. Hive guards and bile spewers mixed into a group can make one wish for a dominator, the redeemer can handle the rest with those out of the way.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by Revalopod:

Originally posted by Zeromentor:

It's my favorite bug support weapon. Kills everything until Chargers and Bile Titans. Bring a Supply Backpack to not only add more Dakka per minute, but to also carry more grenades, stims, and the ability to rearm and reload your buddies.

But against the Bots you need something more explosive, so the Stalwart falls short against them.

I couldn't work out how to use the supply backpack :(

press 5 to use the supply pack on yourself.