Relisting is up to steam, not AH/Sony

[Piamond Dickaxe]

What the title says, people keep posting asking. Its on steam, they unlisted it when this first came to a head, and if any of you have worked with steam support in the past you know it isnt responsive. At this point in time, give it another 12-36hr before steam relists the game in those 177 countries.

[Kimahn]

thanks for the info

[mudcrab]

false; what do you think a publisher does?

[Piamond Dickaxe]

Originally posted by mudcrab:

false

Based on?

[Midas]

Originally posted by mudcrab:

false; what do you think a publisher does?

Asks steam to publish their games. What kind of goof thinks Sony has the power to tell steam what they can list or delist?

[neock]

false. sony restricting the PSN accounts from areas is what caused it. it was SONY's choice to restrict it in those areas.

[Midas]

Originally posted by neock:

false. sony restricting the PSN accounts from areas is what caused it. it was SONY's choice to restrict it in those areas.

Which, if PSN is no longer required, makes their restriction irrelevant to whether or not Steam chooses to list it in those countries.

[Jonathan J. O'Neill]

Originally posted by Midas:

Originally posted by mudcrab:

false; what do you think a publisher does?

Asks steam to publish their games. What kind of goof thinks Sony has the power to tell steam what they can list or delist?

A publisher has all rights to dictate what market to sell to. The distrubutor has all rights to disallow sales to specific markets. Valve can't make Sony sell to... Germany, for example. They can stop them from selling there if doing so could cause legal issues.

[Mystic Referee]

false; it's up to sony.

Source: It came to me in a vision.

[Piamond Dickaxe]

Originally posted by neock:

false. sony restricting the PSN accounts from areas is what caused it. it was SONY's choice to restrict it in those areas.

Originally posted by mudcrab:

false; what do you think a publisher does?

Sony has the ability to list and delist, but they can't override steam. They had the ability to delist the game from the start, they didn't, and when we brought light to the fact a significant number of people can buy the game and not play it very soon, steam took action and delisted the game, likely to cover their ass in case of a legal blowout. Because steam was the one that took action, it has to be steam to relist it.

[mudcrab]

https://steamdb.info/app/553850/subs/

link will show when Sony makes their move.

[Midas]

Originally posted by Jonathan J. O'Neill:

Originally posted by Midas:

Asks steam to publish their games. What kind of goof thinks Sony has the power to tell steam what they can list or delist?

A publisher has all rights to dictate what market to sell to. The distrubutor has all rights to disallow sales to specific markets. Valve can't make Sony sell to... Germany, for example. They can stop them from selling there if doing so could cause legal issues.

Which is exactly what happened here. Sony released a game on steam that could be sold to anyone.

Steam allowed it to be sold to anyone.

Sony added a restriction that would make certain areas unable to use the protect they bought.

STEAM delisted the product from those areas so people wouldn't be accidentally buying a game they can't play.

Now the most Sony can do is ask Steam to re-list it in those regions, but it's ultimately Steam's call if they do so.

[Prywin]

Originally posted by Midas:

Asks steam to publish their games. What kind of goof thinks Sony has the power to tell steam what they can list or delist?

Oh sweety, SONY can say where they want to sell the game and where not. Steam didn't sell in countries, where the publisher didn't want it.

What Steam did, was not to get sued from countries, where you can't make a PSN Account with SONYs website. Without a 100% garanty from SONY to Steam, the countries will not relisted, because Steam will not have such situations again.

It's all in SONYs hands now.

[Metallicana974]

Originally posted by Midas:

Originally posted by Jonathan J. O'Neill:

A publisher has all rights to dictate what market to sell to. The distrubutor has all rights to disallow sales to specific markets. Valve can't make Sony sell to... Germany, for example. They can stop them from selling there if doing so could cause legal issues.

Which is exactly what happened here. Sony released a game on steam that could be sold to anyone.

Steam allowed it to be sold to anyone.

Sony added a restriction that would make certain areas unable to use the protect they bought.

STEAM delisted the product from those areas so people wouldn't be accidentally buying a game they can't play.

Now the most Sony can do is ask Steam to re-list it in those regions, but it's ultimately Steam's call if they do so.

I think it's more like steam delisted it because of the massive wave of review bombing and most likely the huge amount of refund request

[tacgnol06]

I'm just seeing a lot of hearsay from randos who aren't citing sources, credentials, personal experiences, SOMETHING to indicate they aren't talking out of their rear ends.

[lyndonguitar]

Originally posted by Midas:

Originally posted by Jonathan J. O'Neill:

A publisher has all rights to dictate what market to sell to. The distrubutor has all rights to disallow sales to specific markets. Valve can't make Sony sell to... Germany, for example. They can stop them from selling there if doing so could cause legal issues.

Which is exactly what happened here. Sony released a game on steam that could be sold to anyone.

Steam allowed it to be sold to anyone.

Sony added a restriction that would make certain areas unable to use the protect they bought.

STEAM delisted the product from those areas so people wouldn't be accidentally buying a game they can't play.

Now the most Sony can do is ask Steam to re-list it in those regions, but it's ultimately Steam's call if they do so.

Helldivers 2 was delisted by Sony, not Steam, Valve rep says
"This game is not available for specific regions as decided by the publisher."

https://www.eurogamer.net/helldivers-2-was-delisted-by-sony-not-steam-valve-rep-says

Debunked and Case Closed.