AR-23 Liberator & AR-61 Tenderiser - Please increase the Magazine

[Chipmunk of Vengeance]

So I want to suggest increasing the magazine size for the AR-23 and AR-61, yes I know, someone in this thread is going to say "skill issue" and I get that, so please bear in mind while I explain my genius.

My suggest for these assault rifles is simple, increase the magazine size to a base of 45 rounds, and give the default SEAF AR-23 Liberator and AR-23A Carbine an 80 round Drum Magazine.

I get that the game needs to to be challenging, but it needs to be fun as well, and even though I do conserve ammunition as much as is possible, I believe the increase in magazine sizes will make it easier to spread Liber-TEA and Managed Democracy across the Galaxy.

[Grenthy]

It just sounds like you want the stalwart as a primary.

Try bringing that as your support weapon. Carry a supply pack and use one of the multitude of non-support anti tank we have now like the precision or 110.

You can then replace your primary with something for longer ranges and/or medium armor. Or even something usable to break bug holes like the eruptor, which would cover all three.

[Chipmunk of Vengeance]

Originally posted by Grenthy:

It just sounds like you want the stalwart as a primary.

Try bringing that as your support weapon. Carry a supply pack and use one of the multitude of non-support anti tank we have now like the precision or 110.

You can then replace your primary with something for longer ranges and/or medium armor. Or even something usable to break bug holes like the eruptor, which would cover all three.

Na, I don't want to bring a Stalwart, as good as that is, I want to keep my back clear for something to take on Heavy Armour like the Recoilless Rifle.

[BenBandit]

I have a far greater issue with small mags: restraint on my trigger finger.

Having to reload too darn figgin many times takes a toll on combat fluency.

I'd rather have a few big-sized mags than many small-sized ones.

[BenBandit]

Originally posted by Grenthy:

It just sounds like you want the stalwart as a primary.

It was in HD1.
It could/ should be again.

[Logen Neuf-Doigts]

an assault rifle with 80 rounds and a battle rifle with 45 for first isn't realistic but who cares, but second would invalidate the stalwart and mg 43 , and probably the gatling and mg sentry
a full team of good players have no trouble breezing through 9 with minimal deaths and no running away , if there's no need for crowd support weapons it's really gonna get boring

[Chipmunk of Vengeance]

Originally posted by Logen Neuf-Doigts:

an assault rifle with 80 rounds and a battle rifle with 45 for first isn't realistic but who cares, but second would invalidate the stalwart and mg 43 , and probably the gatling and mg sentry
a full team of good players have no trouble breezing through 9 with minimal deaths and no running away , if there's no need for crowd support weapons it's really gonna get boring

This doesn't invalidate the need for crowd control weapons.

[Khryst]

you do realize the liberator already has a 45 round mag right?

the tenderizer is 30 to compensate for it's increased dmg per bullet and lower recoil.

The devs even stated the want the tenderizer to be rewarding for more accurate shooters. it's not an AR to just "throw lead".

The adjudicator has a 30 round mag after being buffed, again to compensate for it's higher dmg per bullet and medium armor pen.

again it rewards the playstyle of accurate shots and allows pierceing armor.

The Liberator concussive has the lower mag count because of it's massive CC abilities.

the only AR's that really need to be looked at after the last patch are the Liberator Penetrator because it's massively outshined by the buffs the other's recieved.

and the new Liberator Carbine, mostly because it's a horrible weapon due to it's recoil. I get the idea behind what the devs were going for but rather then make it kick so badly they should've just given it some bullet drop to point it's a shorter range weapon.

What you're asking for is basically to make Primaries equal to the support weapon machine guns.

then why would you take the stalwart/MG/HMG?

[Logen Neuf-Doigts]

Originally posted by Chipmunk of Vengeance:

Originally posted by Logen Neuf-Doigts:

an assault rifle with 80 rounds and a battle rifle with 45 for first isn't realistic but who cares, but second would invalidate the stalwart and mg 43 , and probably the gatling and mg sentry
a full team of good players have no trouble breezing through 9 with minimal deaths and no running away , if there's no need for crowd support weapons it's really gonna get boring

This doesn't invalidate the need for crowd control weapons.

nu uh

[Vanta]

Originally posted by Khryst:

you do realize the liberator already has a 45 round mag right?

the tenderizer is 30 to compensate for it's increased dmg per bullet and lower recoil.

The devs even stated the want the tenderizer to be rewarding for more accurate shooters. it's not an AR to just "throw lead".

The adjudicator has a 30 round mag after being buffed, again to compensate for it's higher dmg per bullet and medium armor pen.

again it rewards the playstyle of accurate shots and allows pierceing armor.

The Liberator concussive has the lower mag count because of it's massive CC abilities.

the only AR's that really need to be looked at after the last patch are the Liberator Penetrator because it's massively outshined by the buffs the other's recieved.

and the new Liberator Carbine, mostly because it's a horrible weapon due to it's recoil. I get the idea behind what the devs were going for but rather then make it kick so badly they should've just given it some bullet drop to point it's a shorter range weapon.

What you're asking for is basically to make Primaries equal to the support weapon machine guns.

then why would you take the stalwart/MG/HMG?

Naaah. Don't diss the carbine, it slaps imo. Great for stalker packs and chaff slaughtering

[Dredd]

Originally posted by Grenthy:

It just sounds like you want the stalwart as a primary.

Monkey's paw. We won't get the one we have now, they'll make it have ridiculous spread like HD1.

[dyra55]

Would be cool if they increased both mag sizes even just by 5 rounds, those 5 shots they took away from tenderizer may seem small but they do matter and Liberator's will be an even 50

[Chipmunk of Vengeance]

Originally posted by Phoenix Forever:

Originally posted by Khryst:

you do realize the liberator already has a 45 round mag right?

the tenderizer is 30 to compensate for it's increased dmg per bullet and lower recoil.

The devs even stated the want the tenderizer to be rewarding for more accurate shooters. it's not an AR to just "throw lead".

The adjudicator has a 30 round mag after being buffed, again to compensate for it's higher dmg per bullet and medium armor pen.

again it rewards the playstyle of accurate shots and allows pierceing armor.

The Liberator concussive has the lower mag count because of it's massive CC abilities.

the only AR's that really need to be looked at after the last patch are the Liberator Penetrator because it's massively outshined by the buffs the other's recieved.

and the new Liberator Carbine, mostly because it's a horrible weapon due to it's recoil. I get the idea behind what the devs were going for but rather then make it kick so badly they should've just given it some bullet drop to point it's a shorter range weapon.

What you're asking for is basically to make Primaries equal to the support weapon machine guns.

then why would you take the stalwart/MG/HMG?

Naaah. Don't diss the carbine, it slaps imo. Great for stalker packs and chaff slaughtering

Recoil is crap for long range but for CQC it does exactly what it says on the tin.

[IGNITRO]

Originally posted by Chipmunk of Vengeance:

Originally posted by Logen Neuf-Doigts:

an assault rifle with 80 rounds and a battle rifle with 45 for first isn't realistic but who cares, but second would invalidate the stalwart and mg 43 , and probably the gatling and mg sentry
a full team of good players have no trouble breezing through 9 with minimal deaths and no running away , if there's no need for crowd support weapons it's really gonna get boring

This doesn't invalidate the need for crowd control weapons.

The crowd control weapons:

Concussive liberator (meme gun)

[IGNITRO]

Originally posted by Halbzeitbandit:

Originally posted by Grenthy:

It just sounds like you want the stalwart as a primary.

It was in HD1.
It could/ should be again.

Then it should behave like in HD1,
because you can actually tap fire the stalwart in HD2 incredibly well, where as in HD1 tap firing is super inaccurate.

This is the sole reason to consider ARs over the stallwart in HD1.

[BenBandit]

Originally posted by IGNITRO:

Originally posted by Halbzeitbandit:

It was in HD1.
It could/ should be again.

Then it should behave like in HD1,
because you can actually tap fire the stalwart in HD2 incredibly well, where as in HD1 tap firing is super inaccurate.

This is the sole reason to consider ARs over the stallwart in HD1.

You forget two major balance points: mobility and agility.
Also, that accuracy thing in HD1 for the stalwart broke its back.