Cargo crates / lost packs aren't fair

[HeyThere]

I have 300 hours in the game and have opened over 30 lost packs and 40 cargo crates, and I still need to open 20 lost packs and 170 cargo crates. It's completely insane that after 300 hours of gameplay, I'm not even one fifth of the way through with all of the cargo crates. Can the devs make the loot from crates better? Maybe 2 frameworks or pickaxe parts or victory moves or whatever per lost pack/cargo crate? I'm seriously wondering if level 500+ players even have all of these things unlocked.

I feel horrible for people learning about DRG after season 2 and especially after season 3, because there is no WAY they'd get all of the items from the seasons even after 2000 hours of gameplay.

This game is perfect in a lot of ways, but my god that mechanic is so horribly made

[Gilmore]

Level 330. I have everything from the lost packs, but I still need a lot more from cargo crates.

I think if they simply put everything into the same loot pool it would be a lot better. Cause at the moment the lost packs have waaay less items than the cargo crates.

[Vali Riversong]

Vault Traveler님이 먼저 게시:

I still think they should simply remove the class restriction and give it to all classes

Especially since the shared cosmetics are all the same model. No real reason to have one cosmetic split into 4 cores.

[kestrel]

Johnno님이 먼저 게시:

Then they can learn modding and give it to themselves? Or ask around for a save unlock like some do?

if your answer to the cosmetic loot pool problem is "just cheat bro lol" then perhaps it's time to admit the system itself is flawed at a foundational level and should likely be changed

and no "it's just cosmetic" isn't an argument it's still content being gated off from average players

[King Fossil]

When crates were introduced I there were 48 different things in them (I think). That wasn't too bad. Now there are 254 different rewards which is kinda over the top in my opinion. That's a lot of crates.
It's also dumb because crates have way more possible rewards than packs. Like more than twice as many. Weird that if you have normal luck then you'll run out of pack rewards before you get even halfway through the crates.

[NeloDante]

King Fossil님이 먼저 게시:

When crates were introduced I there were 48 different things in them (I think). That wasn't too bad. Now there are 254 different rewards which is kinda over the top in my opinion. That's a lot of crates.

Kinda? It is. I cannot understand how any veteran would defend this except "I got my stuff so I don't care about new players" which is still awful.

[Kamen Kreuz]

I don't know how many Cargo Crate items I'm missing, but I do know that I have 700 hours, I emptied the Lost Pack loot pool two seasons ago, I've almost got all Matrix core items, and I'm still missing Fourth Relic for like 3 Gunner weapons. I don't mind some random loot pools, but the Crates do feel too bloated for how often you can roll on them.
While we're at it, the wardrobe UI could use an update. Scrolling through all of those hats is getting a bit ridiculous.

[NeloDante]

Kreuzfahrer님이 먼저 게시:

While we're at it, the wardrobe UI could use an update. Scrolling through all of those hats is getting a bit ridiculous.

There's a mod (verified) that allows you to search within the wardrobe for what you're looking for - if you remember the name that is.

[Johnno]

King Fossil님이 먼저 게시:

Weird that if you have normal luck then you'll run out of pack rewards before you get even halfway through the crates.

Moving victory moves to lost gear would balance things out for now, however if season loot continues being put in gear/crates then number of frameworks will grow faster anyway.

That said, might feel bit iffy getting victory moves from lost gear.

NeloDante님이 먼저 게시:

I cannot understand how any veteran would defend this except "I got my stuff so I don't care about new players" which is still awful.

Because even if we go back to the numbers King Fossil pointed to (48 items) you'd have to be a veteran and not an average player to ever see everything from gear/crates. So "there's too much" argument doesn't hold since there's always been too much for the average player. And if we're measuring by veteran standards does it even matter when we're looking at hundreds upon hundreds of hours of playtime?

So question is how many hours should it take to collect everything from lost gear and crates? An actual estimate/view would be nice other than "but it's too much right now". Or is it just that we're on to "I want to choose and get exactly what I want" as with OCs, rather than time to completing the collection?

[Perryn ペリン]

Femboy Thighs님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah they really need a way to make them less random.

Should just be a way to select what cosmetic you want and it's still random up to a certain point, ex: If you get 4 random loot chests and it hasn't unlocked before that point, it will always unlock on the 5th

Or maybe in the battlepass at certain levels it gives you token to unlock a piece of your choosing

[Undefined]

Yeah, it's a ridiculously long grind, and good point about the people who join after S3 that will have to spend thousands of hours to collect all items.

I also think that splitting up victory moves/cosmetics/etc per class is a bad idea, like someone mentioned. It sucks when you get the same item, but it's just for a different class.

Considering players with a few hundred hours probably have a ton of credits and minerals with nothing to spend it on, they should allow us to just buy what we want at this point.

[Revalopod]

700 hours and still haven't gotten all the cargo crate loot yet. And if you start playing late and miss a few seasons, it will easily take 1000+ hours which is absurd.

[WholeWheat]

to me it's just nice to get a new hat or something every now and then. I have 720 ish hours, have all lost packs but still going with cargo crates. With OCs too it's pretty slow now; I've all weapon OCs but cosmetic OCs are gonna be a long haul. I can understand people wishing to get weapon OCs faster since they're a core part of builds, but for packs/crates/cosmetic OCs I don't mind pacing it out. There are lots of good looking outfits, frameworks, etc that you can get early on. Mk2 armor has the highest drip value anyway. If you're a diehard completionist and you absolutely certainly must get every possible item and you don't wanna keep playing to get them just mod your save or get creative. no one's gonna judge you and you'll be happy.

[HeroGuy #teampyro]

THE GRIND

[endcrab]

Yeah, as someone who has been here since before overclocks were a thing, and got everything the "normal" way - it's ♥♥♥♥ when someone asks how to get something and I tell them it's complete RNG buried under mountains of garbage. Unlock system needs fixing.

People too obsessed with grinding for dopamine hits for unlocks should not be driving game development - even without the microtransaction part, the devs missed the point that those systems are designed to drive addictive behavior in people prone to that kind of thing.

[1mbalanced]

HeyThere님이 먼저 게시:

I have 300 hours in the game and have opened over 30 lost packs and 40 cargo crates, and I still need to open 20 lost packs and 170 cargo crates. It's completely insane that after 300 hours of gameplay, I'm not even one fifth of the way through with all of the cargo crates. Can the devs make the loot from crates better? Maybe 2 frameworks or pickaxe parts or victory moves or whatever per lost pack/cargo crate? I'm seriously wondering if level 500+ players even have all of these things unlocked.

I feel horrible for people learning about DRG after season 2 and especially after season 3, because there is no WAY they'd get all of the items from the seasons even after 2000 hours of gameplay.

This game is perfect in a lot of ways, but my god that mechanic is so horribly made

i have 2k hours in the game and there is no loot for me in cargo crate or lost gear. Is that fair?