Massive Plothole? (MAJOR SPOILERS)

[SlinkiesAndGuns]

So, at the end G-Man says "this entity will continue and this entity will cease to exist".

However, Alyx needed to free G-Man in order from him to go on and bring Gordon back for HL2, so wouldn't that have meant Alyx would have never existed in HL2?

It's a Paradox... if HL Alyx didn't happen as it did prior to HL2, G-Man would still be locked up and therefore wouldn't have been able to put Gordon into HL2 which would lead up to Eli's death in the first place...

[der.dida83]

To me the real plot hole is, what happens to the Alyx Vance the Gman has shown the future? It can't be that he put her in Stasis, as it looks like in the end, bc then she would not appear in Hl2.

Does he send her back and erase her memory? There should have been an additional scene imo.

Also the disappointment with Gordon doesn't make sense imo. Gordon didn't defy the gman but the Vortigaunts did and this they did to save Alyx who Gman was willing to let die in the reactor explosion... So if they wouldn't have defied him he couldn't recruit Alyx...

To me this is all a bit messy at this point

[zacharyb]

Originally posted by der.dida83:

To me the real plot hole is, what happens to the Alyx Vance the Gman has shown the future? It can't be that he put her in Stasis, as it looks like in the end, bc then she would not appear in Hl2.

Does he send her back and erase her memory? There should have been an additional scene imo.

Also the disappointment with Gordon doesn't make sense imo. Gordon didn't defy the gman but the Vortigaunts did and this they did to save Alyx who Gman was willing to let die in the reactor explosion... So if they wouldn't have defied him he couldn't recruit Alyx...

To me this is all a bit messy at this point

Perhaps when the events did take place at the end Gman erased Alyx's memory of many of the events that happened in HL:A only to return the memories right after Eli died. This would technically mean the player is just replaying Alyx's memories while they're being returned to her.

[Daddy Shark]

Originally posted by Math499:

please let's all agree is not a pararel universe, cause that would ruin half life story

I mean, one of the first things you see in Eli's lab in HL2 is a crystal with multiple strings running through it. It's all about parallel dimensions and different timelines.

[Muse Snooze]

Originally posted by Math499:

please let's all agree is not a pararel universe, cause that would ruin half life story

You don't understand half life story, then. It's always always always been about parallel* universes. Never noticed the dead Gordons in Xen????

[LimeLit]

I would assume that Gordon and the resistance's efforts to blow up the Citadel and close the portal, removing the majority of the Combine's influence on Earth, didn't spark joy with the G-Man's employers. Hounding him to remedy the situation (as Gordon is/was his responsibility) he just pulled the ol' spicy parallel universe.

[SilentCaay]

Originally posted by Muse Snooze:

Originally posted by Math499:

please let's all agree is not a pararel universe, cause that would ruin half life story

You don't understand half life story, then. It's always always always been about parallel* universes. Never noticed the dead Gordons in Xen????

You mean the guys in HEV suits, not Gordons. Those guys clue you in to the fact that the incident in the test chamber wasn't the first time portals have been opened. Black Mesa had been experimenting with them for some time.

[Sentient Entropy]

Pretty sure that the entity that ceased to exist was the Combine slug creature...

[Wrongworld]

Originally posted by LimeLit:

I would assume that Gordon and the resistance's efforts to blow up the Citadel and close the portal, removing the majority of the Combine's influence on Earth, didn't spark joy with the G-Man's employers. Hounding him to remedy the situation (as Gordon is/was his responsibility) he just pulled the ol' spicy parallel universe.

Actually destroying the Citadel was what Gman wanted, everything after it's destruction probably wasn't however. Might want to reply previous games

[Krinkov]

G-Man can time travel, his timeline is not the same as the rest of the Half-Life cast. I was under the assumption that at some point he somehow knew he would be captured by the combine when he travels to the past, so he manipulated the events of Half-Life 2 in a way that he could get the right bargaining chip to not only hire Alyx but to also trick her younger self into freeing him when he travels to the past.

It's also possible HL:A takes place in a parallel timeline, which would explain a lot like why the Citadel was physically built on Earth rather than teleported in fully built like in the original lore, the seeming non-existence of Russell or the gravity gloves in HL2, the absence of Dr. Kleiner, Barney, and Dr. Mossman, the different voices of Alyx and Eli, and the vastly different designs of the enemies in HL:A versus HL2.

[Schickenwulf (Huhnhund)]

Think about it like the Terminator:

Kyle Reese only goes back in time because he's inspired by a picture of Sarah Connor. The picture was only taken because Reese died in the past, Sarah is thinking about him when the picture is taken. But if the picture was never taken, Reese never would have went back in time, and the picture would have never been taken.

The picture is infinite. Gman is infinite.

[Bloodyryss]

Guys eitherway you see it ... the Plot doesnt work ...

1. Time travel has nothing to do with Parallel Universes ... because even if its a parallel universe time is still at the same point so you wouldnt get into the future ...
2. Even if Time is a "Plane" it doesnt work BECAUSE and now I get to the explanation part:

Its possible that Alyx gets deleted at the End of HL 2 Ep. 2 BUT for this to work as a Prequel ... we all know all that happens BEFORE HL2 which means Alex CANT exist in HL2! Not because she gets deleted that day but that she gets deleted AT THE END OF HL: Alyx ... for the story to work Alyx HAS to leave the Vault BUT the game gives you the feeling that she NEVER leaves the vault! If she never leaves the vault ... she cant be in HL2 ... so she cant be deleted at the end of HL2 Ep. 2 ...

You can go into the before and change it ... you can also go into the Future and change it BUT you cant Delete Something out of existence and still let it exist!

So as good as Alyx may be as a Solo Game ... it has a mayor issue with the Ending which just cant be happening!

[SilentCaay]

The plot works fine and we already know she gets taken away at the end of HL2E2, not at the Vault, since post-credits Eli states "She's gone!" meaning she was there with him up until that moment.

It's not even plot hole, it's just an unexplained event that should be explained in the next game. For all we know, Alyx didn't even have her memory erased. She could have just been forced to remain silent during the events of HL2 since her father's life was hanging over her head. Gman let her save her father and he can take that away, as well.

[Bloodyryss]

Originally posted by SilentCaay:

The plot works fine and we already know she gets taken away at the end of HL2E2 since Eli states "She's gone!" meaning she was there with him up until that moment.

It's not even plot hole, it's just an unexplained event that should be explained in the next game. For all we know, Alyx didn't even have her memory erased. She could have just been forced to remain silent during the events of HL2 since her father's life was hanging over her head. Gman let her save her father and he can take that away, as well.

The End of Alyx looks more like she gets erased not only at the end of HL2 but also at the end of HL Alyx and even if she gets free then only with an erased memory because without it the plot wouldnt work again ...

[SilentCaay]

Originally posted by Bl00dY-BuDDy:

The End of Alyx looks more like she gets erased not only at the end of HL2 but also at the end of HL Alyx

No it doesn't. After the scene plays out it just gives the status screen saying "hired". If she were "disappeared" it would say whatever it said at the end of Opposing Force. "Awaiting assignment" or something like that. We don't know what happened after Alyx zapped the slug but we do know the events of HL2 haven't been changed, aside from the very end, so we can assume she leaves the Vault at the same time she entered it and somehow went on to perform her duties in HL2, whether she had her memories or not.

And even if she was "disappeared" at the end of HLA, that still wouldn't be a plothole. It would just be an unexplained event. Gman might have just teleported her to Applebees before dropping her off at home in her present time or something and then took her again at the end of HL2. We don't know.

[Jimmi Stixx]

What it is, is that the writing used to be better. Now we have time travel resurrections. Valve's writing hit the wall with Portal 2 and only has gotten worse. Now it's The Land of the Lost, Back to the Future cartoons.

Future expectations for Valve's ability to tell a story are low.