Why only VR!?

[Mortius]

Seriously Valve? Half life fans have been waiting for over 10 years for another half life game. Not cool. I get you wanna push this VR crap but don't make it VR exclusive!!!

[Cheeze Wizard]

引用自 Kalimah：

引用自 𝖈𝖔𝖚𝖙𝖚𝖗𝖎𝖊𝖗𝖛𝖎𝖙𝖊：

Right?

As cringy as OP's name is, he's not entirely wrong; locking the first Half-Life title in 12 years that isn't a spinoff (i.e. Portal) behind VR is a horrible decision. I'm saying this as someone that owns a PSVR.

It's horrible that you own PSVR. I have that plus the Index. PSVR is a joke rofl

Tracking in PSVR sucks. Great that it introduced more people to VR, bad that it used ancient tech from a failed Wii Clone on a console that was not in anyway suitable for all but the most basic of VR games. Here is hoping the PSVR2 for the PS5 will be something special. Prolly will get an Alyx port.

[Gaviscon]

The PSVR is portable, if you want to take it with you to work or wherever, its easy to plug and play.

[Cheeze Wizard]

引用自 Gaviscon：

The PSVR is portable, if you want to take it with you to work or wherever, its easy to plug and play.

Portable in what way? Considering you also have to lug around that processing box, the actual ps4 console plugged into the wall. Plus where to set up your camera. It has similar "portability" to an Oclulus Rift CV1 except you can get VR laptops that are much lighter and smaller than that bulky PS4 + VR box combo. Basically every modern headset has better portability than the PSVR other than the Index, with all of Oculus's modern offerings plus the Vive Cosmos no longer needing external sensors and both quests being able to run a lot of popular VR titles without even needing an external PC, let alone a bulky ps4 plus processing box, PSVR camera that works in about 10% of the lighting conditions that other VR headsets work in, and the requirement to always have an AC outlet nearby. It is objectively the worst headset of the bunch. It's only saving grace was that it was an amazing value proposition to be a gateway into VR gaming but that was cut as well as PSVR titles kinda stopped releasing and the Quest 1 and especially Quest 2 came out offering a much cheaper overall price for a much better experience.

[Gaviscon]

Its very easy to setup and breakdown.
The games are guaranteed to play when you put them in.
The system won't cost you an arm and a leg.
I own all the headsets.

Quest is trash without Lucky.

Fin

[Pr|cedisman]

引用自 Gaviscon：

Its very easy to setup and breakdown.
The games are guaranteed to play when you put them in.
The system won't cost you an arm and a leg.
I own all the headsets.

Quest is trash without Lucky.

Fin

PSVR has only playstation games though, why you would even bring it up is beyond anyone

[Cheeze Wizard]

引用自 Gaviscon：

Its very easy to setup and breakdown.
The games are guaranteed to play when you put them in.
The system won't cost you an arm and a leg.
I own all the headsets.

Quest is trash without Lucky.

Fin

Putting a laptop on a table then plugging in 1-2 cables from the headset (or gasp, 3-4 cables if you have a super old headset with external sensors) is much faster to setup and breakdown than a ps4 VR setup. Doesn't even need an AC outlet, can do it in the park if you want to. Oculus quest doesn't even need a laptop.

I would say about 95% of popular titles for steamVR are decently optimized and have all followed a single set of system requirements since 2016, recent Steam VR games have jumped to more modern specs but it isn't anything crazy. VR games usually just work because they are optimized for pc then ported to consoles as an afterthought, not the other way around like a lot of AAA titles.

The Oculus Quest 2 is $300, a PSVR is $350, plus another $300 if you don't already have a PS4. Sure it is more expensive overall if you want a gaming PC as well for Half Life Alyx, but then the PSVR wouldn't be an option anyways. Outside of like Skyrim VR which is honestly trash, all the popular PSVR titles are also on the Quest without needing an external PC, plus good exclusives that are still actively being made for the quest unlike PSVR.

Also shows how much you actually know if you think Lucky is the saving grace of the Quest, that was one of their most poorly received exclusives, there are so many other examples of actually good Oculus exclusives you could have used but you used Lucky for some stupid reason.

[Kalimah]

引用自 Gaviscon：

The PSVR is portable, if you want to take it with you to work or wherever, its easy to plug and play.

Last thing on my mind when i buy VR is... IS IT PORTABLE?! LOL

[rwsthedemonking]

引用自 CallMeRetro VR or Bust：

引用自 Gaviscon：

The PSVR is portable, if you want to take it with you to work or wherever, its easy to plug and play.

Portable in what way? Considering you also have to lug around that processing box, the actual ps4 console plugged into the wall. Plus where to set up your camera. It has similar "portability" to an Oclulus Rift CV1 except you can get VR laptops that are much lighter and smaller than that bulky PS4 + VR box combo. Basically every modern headset has better portability than the PSVR other than the Index, with all of Oculus's modern offerings plus the Vive Cosmos no longer needing external sensors and both quests being able to run a lot of popular VR titles without even needing an external PC, let alone a bulky ps4 plus processing box, PSVR camera that works in about 10% of the lighting conditions that other VR headsets work in, and the requirement to always have an AC outlet nearby. It is objectively the worst headset of the bunch. It's only saving grace was that it was an amazing value proposition to be a gateway into VR gaming but that was cut as well as PSVR titles kinda stopped releasing and the Quest 1 and especially Quest 2 came out offering a much cheaper overall price for a much better experience.

I agree that is would be a mess to take a PS4 and the PSVR to a job. It would be so much easier then a plan old Rift. That is what I still have and my room is a tangled mess of stuff. For the Rift to work great you need a decent PC with lots of usb ports and all 4 senors plus the extra stuff with them. So in truth niter one is good for moving around.

[Cheeze Wizard]

引用自 rwsthedemonking：

引用自 CallMeRetro VR or Bust：

Portable in what way? Considering you also have to lug around that processing box, the actual ps4 console plugged into the wall. Plus where to set up your camera. It has similar "portability" to an Oclulus Rift CV1 except you can get VR laptops that are much lighter and smaller than that bulky PS4 + VR box combo. Basically every modern headset has better portability than the PSVR other than the Index, with all of Oculus's modern offerings plus the Vive Cosmos no longer needing external sensors and both quests being able to run a lot of popular VR titles without even needing an external PC, let alone a bulky ps4 plus processing box, PSVR camera that works in about 10% of the lighting conditions that other VR headsets work in, and the requirement to always have an AC outlet nearby. It is objectively the worst headset of the bunch. It's only saving grace was that it was an amazing value proposition to be a gateway into VR gaming but that was cut as well as PSVR titles kinda stopped releasing and the Quest 1 and especially Quest 2 came out offering a much cheaper overall price for a much better experience.

I agree that is would be a mess to take a PS4 and the PSVR to a job. It would be so much easier then a plan old Rift. That is what I still have and my room is a tangled mess of stuff. For the Rift to work great you need a decent PC with lots of usb ports and all 4 senors plus the extra stuff with them. So in truth niter one is good for moving around.

4 sensors? What is your playspace, a small warehouse? With touch it needs only 2 for an optimal playspace with 180 degree coverage or a small playspace with 360 degree coverage. At most you need three for an optimal 360 degree playspace. But in comparing to the PSVR, only the two sensor setup applies since PSVR can't do 360 degree tracking at all. This is all hardly relevant nowadays anyways since only the very first model of the rift needs external sensors and was very much an early adopter product that is almost half a decade old that this point.

[rwsthedemonking]

引用自 CallMeRetro VR or Bust：

引用自 rwsthedemonking：

I agree that is would be a mess to take a PS4 and the PSVR to a job. It would be so much easier then a plan old Rift. That is what I still have and my room is a tangled mess of stuff. For the Rift to work great you need a decent PC with lots of usb ports and all 4 senors plus the extra stuff with them. So in truth niter one is good for moving around.

4 sensors? What is your playspace, a small warehouse? With touch it needs only 2 for an optimal playspace with 180 degree coverage or a small playspace with 360 degree coverage. At most you need three for an optimal 360 degree playspace. But in comparing to the PSVR, only the two sensor setup applies since PSVR can't do 360 degree tracking at all. This is all hardly relevant nowadays anyways since only the very first model of the rift needs external sensors and was very much an early adopter product that is almost half a decade old that this point.

I wish I had a big play space but sadly it is only a 6'x6' play space. I just got 4 sensors as that was the most I could run. I wanted good tracking. I had started off with the PSVR and did not like the tracking at all. I may have more then I need but that is what I was going for.

[The Investigator]

Hmm if you don't already have a gaming PC I could see this being an issue, but then what did you expect to play HLA on even if it did have a desktop mode?

Let me attempt to debunk the price argument

In my case I had a gaming pc since 2017 it came with a core i7-8700k, 16 GB of ram, GTX 1050 ti, and a 2tb 7200rpm drive.

Then in 2019 I looked into VR, with my original set up most VR games ran fine with occasional frame drops (tested after the fact) VRchat, Pavlov VR, etc. However I got a hold of a used working gtx 1060 6GB for $20, before investing $349 in a refurbished HTC Vive kit (Headset, Controllers, two Base stations) several months later during black Friday. Half Life Alyx works perfectly fine on this new setup on medium settings, however when lots of stuff happens on screen there was some instability in frames. However Low didn't make much visual difference and it is now solid 90+fps (the headset is 90hz). I personally spent a total of $588 on hardware, but spread out from the beginning of 2019 to the end of 2020 and that was only because I decided to splurge and get HLA by buying the knuckles excluding that it would have only been $369 I have heard of people spending more on a single CPU or Graphics card for flat screen gaming and during Covid there where many people who wasted their stimulus checks on $1k+ TVs (me as a student who didn't get a stimulus smh)

Most people doing PC gaming probably already have a system with a gtx 1060 equivalent or better, but if they don't msrp of a 1060 is $299 getting used/equivalent can be cheaper. Others have already mentioned other models of headset can be cheaper, in my case I went with Htc Vive first gen, because I knew Valve index hardware was backwards compatible I really had my eye on that, but couldn't afford it.

Sorry I honestly don't see the problem that this is only VR, maybe I'm bias because I was already interested in VR before they announced HLA so I was willing to spend $369 on hardware to play other VR tittles.

[Irrapture]

引用自 Aphrodite：

I agree with you OP, sad that the VR boys are only about console exclusivity.

Rightfully banned.

[stuart22022]

jesus, this thing has 633 pages and people are still arguing?

[r1ckyr4y EBK]

引用自 Mr Tinkles：

引用自 AttackingHobo：

This game could only be made with VR. It could be translated into 2d as well but then both the VR and 2D will both be compromises. I want no compromises awesome VR.

Thats a lie.

Says somebody who I can guarantee has no experience writing code for game development.

[Rob⛧Slayer]

引用自 IanL：

引用自 R̷̽ō̶b⛧Pen̶taki̴ll：

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lol ... guess she's done listening to you too

lmao