blood and Iron packs - after first 5 packs opened all doubles, or at best 1 new

[nektar]

not sure if this is a bug, but with so many new cards available with blood and Iron, getting so many doubles after a few packs opened is plain robbery.

ie the kangaroo card is in almost in every pack lol

[puschit]

The set is smaller than you think. Just 29 commons for example. This means, after opening 5 packs you got probably around 20 commons. It's quite natural to open doubles after that. In fact true randomness will get you results like this more likely than an even spread.

Apart from the obvious math, please explain why opening a double is "plain robbery". You can need up to 4 for your deck. And duplicate protection applie to all rarities, so once you got 4 copies you won't get more until you got all commons 4 times, then excess cards are automatically shredded to push your crate. So, where exactly is the problem here?

[nektar]

what a second, there are 87 new blood and iron cards right? at least that's what it says on the main page under new cards available. Even if it were less, how is it you don't see a problem when cards like the Kangaroo come out nearly every pack? how is that random, please explain.

For clarification, I opened 14 blood and iron card packs, the first 5 packs (I averaged 3-4 new cards), I opened 9 more packs and got 2 new cards ONLY!
In that span I got enough Kangaroo cards to open a kangaroo theme park lol

[puschit]

I already explained that to you. The set may have 87 new cards in total but there are different rarities. Kangaroo is a common and there are only 29 commons. Most of the cards you open in a pack are common. So, after opening the first 5 packs without doubles you already had about 20 different commons. The next pack will have 3 or 4 more commons and it's actually very unlikely to get no doubles because for that you'd need to get 3 or 4 times one of the 9 remaining missing cards out of 29.

If you opened 14 packs that would be roughly 50 commons you got. At that point it's impossible to get no doubles and naturally you'll also have some triples and a quartett while other cards might still be in singles. That's what randomness gives you. Roll a D30 fifty times and note the results, you'll be surprised, it won't be evenly spread.

[uncleed]

One pack even gave me a No. 3 Commando from Breakthrough that I already owned two of. :D

[nektar]

Originally posted by puschit:

I already explained that to you. The set may have 87 new cards in total but there are different rarities. Kangaroo is a common and there are only 29 commons. Most of the cards you open in a pack are common. So, after opening the first 5 packs without doubles you already had about 20 different commons. The next pack will have 3 or 4 more commons and it's actually very unlikely to get no doubles because for that you'd need to get 3 or 4 times one of the 9 remaining missing cards out of 29.

If you opened 14 packs that would be roughly 50 commons you got. At that point it's impossible to get no doubles and naturally you'll also have some triples and a quartett while other cards might still be in singles. That's what randomness gives you. Roll a D30 fifty times and note the results, you'll be surprised, it won't be evenly spread.

so basically its money thrown in a fire-pit after the first 4-5 card packs....

[sushi_komplett]

It doesn't say anywhere that a pack gives you specific cards which you don't yet own. A pack gives you copies of cards that you don't yet have in your collection, with the latter referring to the copies not the specific cards. In the shop description of a standard pack it even says "5 set cards" instead of "5 random cards".

And yes, I've made the same experience that once a pack starts to drop a specific card, the next packs you open will rather drop more copies of that card than drop new ones.

[True_Blue]

Why are Core set cards appearing in B & I packs? This happened in the last set as well. I don't see anyone complaining about that so this may be very rare indeed.

[puschit]

Originally posted by nektar:

Originally posted by puschit:

I already explained that to you. The set may have 87 new cards in total but there are different rarities. Kangaroo is a common and there are only 29 commons. Most of the cards you open in a pack are common. So, after opening the first 5 packs without doubles you already had about 20 different commons. The next pack will have 3 or 4 more commons and it's actually very unlikely to get no doubles because for that you'd need to get 3 or 4 times one of the 9 remaining missing cards out of 29.

If you opened 14 packs that would be roughly 50 commons you got. At that point it's impossible to get no doubles and naturally you'll also have some triples and a quartett while other cards might still be in singles. That's what randomness gives you. Roll a D30 fifty times and note the results, you'll be surprised, it won't be evenly spread.

so basically its money thrown in a fire-pit after the first 4-5 card packs....

No, as I ALSO explained, when you draw excess cards, they get recycled and push your crate. Srsly, are you dense? I am all about helping out but I won't explain everything twice. And also srsly, you don't know anything about this game, it's mechanics and how stuff works, which is ok, but if that's the case, why throw around accusations like "this is burning money" or "plain robbery" ?
You also failed to explain why you deem it a bad thing to get doubles in the first place. How else would you get full playsets you need in many cases to play a deck properly? It also seems that you complain about getting a full collection too fast ... which means you need to pay less in total. Yet you complain about getting ripped off?

[sushi_komplett]

Originally posted by True_Blue:

Why are Core set cards appearing in B & I packs? This happened in the last set as well. I don't see anyone complaining about that so this may be very rare indeed.

There is an explanation for that:
Core Set cards will appear in the current expansion's packs when they have returned from the Reserves. You will notice that whenever a Reserves cycling takes place, the cards that have returned to the pool will be dropped from the current expansion's packs regardless of which set they originally where introduced with.

[puschit]

And the reason nobody complains about that is simple:
Either you don't have that card anymore (or you never had it in the first place) so you'll be glad to get it this way instead of using wildcards. Or maybe you never had that card and didn't know it exists so you just assume it's part of the new expansion.
OR, like me, you already got maximum copies and that card and don't even notice reserve cards are part of the current expansion because duplicate protection rpevents them from ever showing up in boosters.

[Navin]

Do people really go through gold that fast? I've never used real money card packs and I have a bunch of wild cards. Granted I've been playing since beta so that might be a factor.

[uncleed]

Originally posted by sushi_komplett:

Originally posted by True_Blue:

Why are Core set cards appearing in B & I packs? This happened in the last set as well. I don't see anyone complaining about that so this may be very rare indeed.

There is an explanation for that:
Core Set cards will appear in the current expansion's packs when they have returned from the Reserves. You will notice that whenever a Reserves cycling takes place, the cards that have returned to the pool will be dropped from the current expansion's packs regardless of which set they originally where introduced with.

Thank you, that makes sense.
Though I wonder; I thought I had them all.

[nektar]

Originally posted by puschit:

Originally posted by nektar:

so basically its money thrown in a fire-pit after the first 4-5 card packs....

No, as I ALSO explained, when you draw excess cards, they get recycled and push your crate. Srsly, are you dense? I am all about helping out but I won't explain everything twice. And also srsly, you don't know anything about this game, it's mechanics and how stuff works, which is ok, but if that's the case, why throw around accusations like "this is burning money" or "plain robbery" ?
You also failed to explain why you deem it a bad thing to get doubles in the first place. How else would you get full playsets you need in many cases to play a deck properly? It also seems that you complain about getting a full collection too fast ... which means you need to pay less in total. Yet you complain about getting ripped off?

The word dense describes YOU. who buys card packs to get crates????? HAHAHHAHA
you have the nerve to call people DENSE after writing nonsense like that.
Dont bother responding, I laughed enough with your posts.

ie When you open 9 card packs and get only 2 new cards out of the possible 70, that feels like robbery to me. The math speaks for itself.
Do everyone a favor leave the bsery about me not knowing the mechanics out of this.
Go find another thread to troll on.

[sushi_komplett]

Originally posted by nektar:

The word dense describes YOU. who buys card packs to get crates????? HAHAHHAHA
you have the nerve to call people DENSE after writing nonsense like that.

What puschit means is this: You want to raise your weekly crate to a better category to receive Special and or Elite cards. You may already have all copies of the Regular and or Limited cards of the current set. If you do, you can but regular packs, open them and know that the surplus cards will be recycled and wull add to your crate progress.

[nektar]

Originally posted by sushi_komplett:

Originally posted by nektar:

The word dense describes YOU. who buys card packs to get crates????? HAHAHHAHA
you have the nerve to call people DENSE after writing nonsense like that.

What puschit means is this: You want to raise your weekly crate to a better category to receive Special and or Elite cards. You may already have all copies of the Regular and or Limited cards of the current set. If you do, you can but regular packs, open them and know that the surplus cards will be recycled and wull add to your crate progress.

What makes you think I didn't understand what he said?
So you like buying card packs to build crates too hu? lol

FYI the reason why people spend MONEY to buy card packs to is get NEW CARDS and NOT build Crates.