Is 2 manhatten projects in a row OP?

[dav.133]

The card itself only costs 6 I think. I would like to know thoughts on this. it deals 6 damage to all enemy cards through advanced research, but not friendly cards. I saw someone use it twice in a row, so it took 12 from hq and total of 12 damage to all cards my cards on the battlefield. There aren't many counter measures that can deal with it. I managed to use retaliation on one of them so enemy HQ got 6 damage, but still, bit extreme. What does everyone else think?

[Roma Invicta]

this card was already nerfed from dealing 10 to 6 but they cost 6 less
still yes its enerving but well all of the late project are good except german it sucks but what could be changed is the way u can get them at least from spy ring its very easy to get them

[dav.133]

Interesting... I like the idea of it damaging friendly units too so that it has the same risk of wiping out your units too but if you think you have the units in hand to push afterwards then you can still go for it

[76561198157377508]

except for the fact that you cant spawn them out of thin air

[romy]

US research used to give a single Manhattan Project (which costed 12 Kr). Only one was kinda useless so they buffed it : changed it to 2 Manhattan Projects at a cheap price of 6 Kr. It is historically more accurate and is at least useful now (obtaining MP costs 18Kr after all).

[Roma Invicta]

Originally posted by Romy:

US research used to give a single Manhattan Project (which costed 12 Kr). Only one was kinda useless so they buffed it : changed it to 2 Manhattan Projects at a cheap price of 6 Kr. It is historically more accurate and is at least useful now (obtaining MP costs 18Kr after all).

they did not buff it they gave 2 of them but it was 10 damage and not 6 wich was in fact insta kill and its why it was nerfed

[romy]

Originally posted by Roma Invicta:

Originally posted by Romy:

US research used to give a single Manhattan Project (which costed 12 Kr). Only one was kinda useless so they buffed it : changed it to 2 Manhattan Projects at a cheap price of 6 Kr. It is historically more accurate and is at least useful now (obtaining MP costs 18Kr after all).

they did not buff it they gave 2 of them but it was 10 damage and not 6 wich was in fact insta kill and its why it was nerfed

even if you use both MP the same turn, it deals 12 damage which is more than 10 for the same cost. But the true power of the buff is to give two cheap mp, so you can wipe the board and still have 6 Kr to play and keep the second mp to clear the board again later. Or even use the first to trigger dowding then the second to board wipe.

Before this buff I had nearly never lost to manhattan, now it is more tactical to counter.

[Roma Invicta]

Originally posted by Romy:

Originally posted by Roma Invicta:

they did not buff it they gave 2 of them but it was 10 damage and not 6 wich was in fact insta kill and its why it was nerfed

even if you use both MP the same turn, it deals 12 damage which is more than 10 for the same cost. But the true power of the buff is to give two cheap mp, so you can wipe the board and still have 6 Kr to play and keep the second mp to clear the board again later. Or even use the first to trigger dowding then the second to board wipe.

Before this buff I had nearly never lost to manhattan, now it is more tactical to counter.

i think u never played before because they NERFED IT FOR A REASON thye will not buff it i mean if u don't have heal u could easely kill the ennemy hq

[puschit]

It isn't really nerf since they are cheaper now and being able to cast just one (clearing the filed usually) and keeping the other is invaluable because if the opponent tries to recover you can clear the field a second time. Also, a US deck only needs to ramp 3 credits up to 15 so he can play the final research and play the first Manhattan the same turn, which is a crucial difference. I pretty much prefer the current version over the old one, it is the better choice in most games and it doesn't feel so bad when you lose to it.

To anwser the initial question: No, they are not OP since you need to spend 3+6+9=18 kredits just to get them without getting any compensation until you actually play it.

[HolyRay]

Originally posted by dav.133:

The card itself only costs 6 I think. I would like to know thoughts on this. it deals 6 damage to all enemy cards through advanced research, but not friendly cards. I saw someone use it twice in a row, so it took 12 from hq and total of 12 damage to all cards my cards on the battlefield. There aren't many counter measures that can deal with it. I managed to use retaliation on one of them so enemy HQ got 6 damage, but still, bit extreme. What does everyone else think?

Yes, but compared on how much kredits and turn you need to sacrifice in order to get it is balanced. The imbalance one is German last research uran projeckt, no body use it.

[puschit]

To compensate, the german research has the best 9 kredit option. Nobody uses the 9 credit option of the US research.

[HolyRay]

Originally posted by puschit:

To compensate, the german research has the best 9 kredit option. Nobody uses the 9 credit option of the US research.

Disagree, Penicillin is powerful with guard or artillery units, if you have 2nd California at front much more better to intercept enemy units to take front-line. People don't use it not because it is bad, but because Manhattan Project is much more potent and can be combined with any deck type.

[puschit]

Yeah, and german U-Boat is much more potent and useful than Uranium Project and also useful on about any decktype, which is why it is used more often. You have to consider all 4 options of the research cards in order to evalute the card and it's various effects. One option might be stronger compared to their counterparts while others are weaker.
What's ironic here is that U-Boat is a perfect direct counter to both Penicilin'd Californias and to someone that just put two Manhattans into their hand :)

[HolyRay]

Agree with that, U-boat is better value.

[Jack Sparrow's Vindication]

Originally posted by HolyRay:

Originally posted by puschit:

To compensate, the german research has the best 9 kredit option. Nobody uses the 9 credit option of the US research.

Disagree, Penicillin is powerful with guard or artillery units, if you have 2nd California at front much more better to intercept enemy units to take front-line. People don't use it not because it is bad, but because Manhattan Project is much more potent and can be combined with any deck type.

If you have research cards AND 2nd California (likely plane deployment effect cards too), I'll send you some 'zzz' emotes all day.

[Joe]

I would be fine with it if it didn't also hit HQ.