Why can certain things not be wall mounted, only frame mounted?

[Soondead]

When trying(and failing) to construct my first functioning bases it seems most components (like APU, battery chargers etc) can not be mounted on walls. This seems counter-intuitive and forces me to use those space-consuming frames instead. Is there any reason for this that I'm not seeing yet? Have I completely misunderstood the purpose of the walls?

[onebit]

i dunno.

just make a temporary frame, build power controller, and deconstruct frame.

since u can do this i dont know why you cant just build on walls.

[Heightmare]

It was before my time on the project but I believe the intent was you place things on frames, and walls were used for covering up cables and pipes etc. The problem with placing stuff on walls backed by another wall us stuff would collide because of how they're designed so you'd get placement issues but not be able to see what they were being blocked by. As for making devices fall down if you deconstruct the frame underneath, well I think there would be riots :P

[JustQuackers]

Re-asking this question. Not being able to mount items to walls is counter to how most people think. I know this is a game, but still could you see your house having six foot think walls just so you could have wiring and plumbing in the same wall. You can still do a back to back wall and have wiring and piping in it in game with good planning but it takes three times longer than it should to do because of all the hoops you have to jump thru. Glad I don't have to design buildings like this or build them like this in the real world. It is the little things like this that drove me away from the game for two years. Guess I will give it another two years. Enjoy.

[Dani]

Having to build and deconstruct a frame just to get that freaking light fixture on the ceiling is nonsense.
Also when building a shaped steel frame it doesn't act as a frame. For example a solar panel has to be build on a frame (according to the tool tip) but what the tool tip doesn't say is that it has to be a the normal frame (cube), so if you want to build a solar panel on a wedged steel frame you need to build a normal frame first, put the solar panel on it, deconstruct the frame and replace it with the shaped frame you actually wanted to build it on.
Also somewhere in the last 8-10 months (haven't played for a few months) some items that require a frame will now break if you deconstruct the frame.
Not only do we have to build 6 foot thick walls to put a display but you also need a 6 foot thick ceiling to hand a stupid light fixture.

I can understand that the developers focus on certain functionalities but where is the fun in building a functional base that looks like crap.

I am pretty sure that being able to put a display, light fixture, switch, ... etc on a standard wall/ceiling/floor is something that most people are waiting for and would prefer to see compared to a useless rover.

just have the back of a wall act as one side of a frame (same for ceiling and floors). So if you wanna put something on a wall you need to build the wall of the adjacent room build(the one that will be back to back to the one your gonna build). Same for ceiling and floor of the the next level.

Only exceptions would be heavy machinery (stationary battery, generators, ... etc)

Why do I have the feeling that this would only require changing one attribute on those items.

Or give us a way to mod it (we probably only need to know the name and possible values).
Such a mod would probably become the most popular mod in a few minutes!

[AlphaXraySierra]

If you look at the prefab POIs on Loulan, they are all constructed by mounting everything on walls not frames, everything from light fixtures to solar panels. I used to try repairing a POI to use as a base but its not workable.

It frustrates me that the developers still impose this construction restriction on players, when they don't design their prefabs within the same restriction.

[Monty]

You can place a frame and mount a device on it then connect it up with wires or pipes. Once connected you can dismantle the frame without anything falling off and place walls. This means you can only place items on one side of the wall.

Not sure if its possible but maybe the back of a wall could be made to be a mountable surface. Still unable to place things on both sides of the wall but saves the 3 seconds of placing and removing frames.

The best thing about Stationeers is that we can place things just about anywhere unlike a lot of games where an item takes an entire block regardless of the side of the device.

[Dani]

Originally posted by Monty:

The best thing about Stationeers is that we can place things just about anywhere unlike a lot of games where an item takes an entire block regardless of the side of the device.

Well you could say that a full frame is made out of 125 blocks and those blocks are only usable if there is an adjacent frame.
The only reason I can think of is that it's easier to have a "reference plane" to build on and it would be a mess trying to position something like a light fixture in free space. But I don't get why a wall cannot deliver that reference to build on (they already do it for pipes and cables).

Originally posted by Monty:

...saves the 3 seconds of placing and removing frames

Unless you have to deconstruct an autolathe or something similar before placing that temporary frame.

[Norseman]

Originally posted by Monty:

You can place a frame and mount a device on it then connect it up with wires or pipes. Once connected you can dismantle the frame without anything falling off and place walls. This means you can only place items on one side of the wall.

Not sure if its possible but maybe the back of a wall could be made to be a mountable surface. Still unable to place things on both sides of the wall but saves the 3 seconds of placing and removing frames.

The best thing about Stationeers is that we can place things just about anywhere unlike a lot of games where an item takes an entire block regardless of the side of the device.

Most who have played for a while know all this.

Problem is when you start to get complex builds going it is not always that easy to dismantle a hole system just to get a frame inside it so you can put up some simple thing as a light fixture, sensor etc.

It is counter intuitive and should need to be addressed ASAP. Period.

It is almost more irritating than setting up two-axis solar system with all the bugs every part of the Logic/ IC Chip system has ;P

[Kastuk]

Nowyou can place small things on walls. Finally!
In beta.

[Dani]

Originally posted by Kastuk:

Nowyou can place small things on walls. Finally!
In beta.

I think lots of ppl gonna try beta just to have this.

PS : indeed working in beta it's just a bit different as expected. We can place things on the front side of a wall (floor grating also works), was expecting to be able to build on the back of a wall but that's ok.

[Norseman]

Originally posted by Kastuk:

Nowyou can place small things on walls. Finally!
In beta.

That is great news!

[Dani]

It's also possible to build things on floor grating including solar panels (although you will have to remove it to run pipes and cables).
We can now put solar panels on thin roofs ... etc

[JustQuackers]

Glad to hear they have this in Beta, finally. As for placing things on the backside of a wall, this is sort of a none issue since you have to put two wall frames up to have two sides to the wall, I usually try to rotate my wall sides so that they form an 'X' when you are facing them so that it is easier to deconstruct them if needed.

[Dani]

Well it's just that building on the front wall (or on floor grating which also works) you end up putting your devices and often have to remove the wall to run cables properly (especially when you run them in the corners where they are covered by the wall frame).
Either way it certainly is a huge improvement as it is now.

[Magnetar]

Just wan't to add my 2 cents here that not being able to place things on walls is the most annoying thing about this game and i wish they would remove it. I have quit this game many times and each time it has been because of this exact issue. I really love the systems of this game, but this issue has came up so much that I've changed my review to a negative one and can't get more than a few hours into a game because this ALWAYS ALWAYS happens. Right now I just wan't to build a battery on a little loft like hideaway area. Too bad I had to deconstruct everything underneath, place a frame, then remove it. It's crazy how this one thing has ruined each of my playthroughs to the point I wan't to warn people to stay away.