Kiev, Kirov or Moskva seen in the campaigns?

[strykerpsg]

I have played through the various coampaigns, well, mostly 1984 and 2004 as the 1968 one is a bit tougher on detecting and prosecuting. However, after probably completing at least 12 campaigns, I have never once encountered anything larger than the Kara and was hoping for a go with the Kiev, Moskva and/or Kirov.

Has anyone met these in campaign yet or are they just in the singular missions?

[Team Triss]

Oh no, they're in there. I have met and sank all three.

The Kiev took 3 Mk48s.

The Moskva is helicopter hell.

[Waggy]

I only saw the helicopter CV once. I'm not sure if I recall seeing the aircraft carrier or not. The Kirov I've seen a few times.

They're rare, but they're there.

[strykerpsg]

Were they specific missions aimed at those particular ships or a chance encounter? Just wondering if I need to go more rogue and engage more of the surface contacts

[Hurric]

They are chance encounter

I have had the chopper carrier & the Slobberdov ... but have yet to meet the ultimate

prolly 300 hours played so far ... so they are very rare

[Team Triss]

Originally posted by strykerpsg:

Were they specific missions aimed at those particular ships or a chance encounter? Just wondering if I need to go more rogue and engage more of the surface contacts

Just a random part of a surface group. Don't remember if it was a mission group or a random surface group I encountered along the way.

[strykerpsg]

Thanks for the info. I will go more out of my way to engage the surface units as they become detected.

[Nurph]

I sunk a Kirov during my last campaign the other day. It appeared on a 'sink the ship tender' mission.

[Wraith_Magus]

I ran across Sverdlovs pretty frequently in '68. They are "big gun" cruisers with zero ASW, and lack even sonar, so they're pretty big, fat juicy targets for Mk 16s. They are often put as escorts for amphibious assaults, which seem inordinatetly common missions in '68.

Searching the game files, themselves...

I don't know this explicitly, but all probabilities are based upon the assumption that when it mentions ranges of ship numbers or ship types, that all results are equally weighted, since I see no weights.

Overall, the Kirov seems the rarest of them all...

The Kiev can appear in any of the following missions ('84 campaign, only):

ASUW Strike 0, 1, or 2 (These missions are ones where they specifically ask you to sink an aircraft carrier in the mission briefing - in 0 and 1, the carrier might alternately be a Moskva.)

Insertion 0 or 1 (The SEAL delivery missions - you might run into a Kiev or Kirov just idling in port. Note that there are apparently specific missions for the Russian port with specific ship types, and Kievs do NOT appear in the Russian ports, only ports that were invaded, so you have to let an amphibious landing succeed to actually have a chance of an Insertion mission with Kievs in it.)

Land Strike 0 or 1 (The TLAM missions - the same as above, including the "don't appear in originally Russian ports". Note that there is also a "Land Strike 2", which will never have a Kiev. This can be identified in-game by the mission briefing saying something about "LAX VIEW OF SAFETY RULES WHEN STORING MUNITIONS".)

Ship Resupply (A "sink tenders performing resupply" mission. This is when they specifically say they are "enemy warships" not "submarines". The Kiev, Kirov, Moskva, and Sverdlov all share this slot, and there's a chance of there being 0 to 2 ships of this type in the slot, so there's an overall 22.6% chance for any specific one of these ships to appear. 2.1% chance of pounding BOTH Kievs!)

SSBN Patrol 1 (The final mission, of which there are two variants. This one is the "break into the bastion" variant. If it says something about "passing the polar ice caps", the Kiev will never appear. There's a 50% chance of nothing in the slot, 25% chance of the Kiev, and 25% of the Kirov.)

The Kirov can appear in any of the following missions (also '84 only):

ASUW Strikes 3, 4, and 6. (These are more "sink the enemy surface task force" missions. 6 is another one that specifically mentions a carrier, and 4 specifically only happens near Narvik, Norway. In all of these missions, the slot is shared with Sovremneys or Sverdlovs, so if they're there, then the Kirov won't be. In ASUW strike 3, however, there are 2-3 ships of that slot, so there might be several Kirovs, or several Sovremneys in its place. ASUW 3 is identifiable by the phrase, "armed with long range cruise missiles and could wreak havoc on vital NATO supply convoys".)

Land strike 0 and 1. (Same slot and "only in conquered ports" conditions as Kiev, above.)

Ship Resupply; SSBN 1. (Same slot and conditions as Kiev, above.)

The Moskva can appear in any of the following missions:

'84 Campaign:
ASUW Strike 0, 1 ("Sink the carrier" missions. Shared slot with Kiev, above. You will always get one or the other on this mission.)

ASUW Strike 3 ("long range missile cruisers could wreak havoc" mission that might have the Kirov, as well. Own slot, 50% chance of a Moskva, 50% of nothing.)

ASUW Strike 5 (Mission briefing mentions sinking Sverdlovs. Again, own slot, 50% chance of a Moskva, 50% of nothing.)

ASW Patrol 1 (This is a random non-mission surface group! There are three types of ASW patrols, and one of them has a 50% chance of having a Moskva, so an overall 18% chance of a random surface ship encounter having a Moskva.)

Land Strike 0, 1; Ship Resupply; SSBN Patrol 1 (All the same conditions as the Kiev, it appears in the same slot.)

'68 Campaign:
ASUW Strike 2 ("Sink the Sverdlovs" mission. Own slot, 50% chance of one.)

ASUW Strike 3 and 4. (3 is "long range cruise missiles threaten convoys" mission, while 4 is "long range cruise missiles threaten carrier group". The actual mission seems identical except for the briefing. There are 2-3 ships of a general surface ship slot that includes everything from a Moskva down to a Poti, so this is a really random mission. 42.4% chance of at least one Moskva, but a 7.8% chance of two Moskvas, and 0.4% chance of THREE Moskvas.)

Landing Force 2. (One of three "sink the amphibious landing" mission. This one is identifiable by specifically mentioning "Alligator and Amguema class" in the briefing. Own slot, 50% chance if you get this particular variant of the mission.)

Ship Resupply. (This is the specifically "tenders resupplying SURFACE warships" mission. 0-2 ships of the slot, which includes the Kresta, Sverdlov, and the Moskva, so a roughly 30% chance for one Moskva.)

[DarkFire]

I've seen all three in various missionsm, which pretty much tallies with what Wraith posted. The Moskva and Kirov are serious adversaries, but the Kiev. F*** me, the Kiev with it's mega-horde of rearming, refueling choppers of doom is an unholy nighmare that delights in ruining your day or night with a swarm of angry chopper-dropped torps. This is a terror ship. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[Wraith_Magus]

Originally posted by DarkFire:

I've seen all three in various missionsm, which pretty much tallies with what Wraith posted. The Moskva and Kirov are serious adversaries, but the Kiev. F*** me, the Kiev with it's mega-horde of rearming, refueling choppers of doom is an unholy nighmare that delights in ruining your day or night with a swarm of angry chopper-dropped torps. This is a terror ship. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Yeah, playing the "Break the bastion" is a tall order since it means fighting through a large force of enemies fast enough that the boomer doesn't get hopelessly far away... but doing that with the whole thing swarming with helos makes it a nightmare.

Although what's probably the most amusing is that you can get two Kievs on a seemingly routine "sink some tenders" mission, or THREE Moskvas in '68 on a "sink some surface fleet". (Moskvas take 4 or 5 Mk 37 torpedoes, so just taking down the Moskvas alone is probably going to take up nearly every torpedo you can carry, even when you actually manage to launch an attack between the nigh-constant helo Hell...)

[RED]

I met Kirov during campaign. What was kind of annoying, it was me vs merchant, two obsolete destroyers and the pride of the Soviet Navy.

It should be: merchant, its escort, two Karas, two Udaloys, three Krivaks, one sub, one capital ship vs the player.

[The Inept European]

It's really odd that you have never seen any of these ships OP. I have seen a Kirov only once and Sverdlov rarely, but lots of Kiev and Moskva.

[strykerpsg]

Originally posted by The Inept European:

It's really odd that you have never seen any of these ships OP. I have seen a Kirov only once and Sverdlov rarely, but lots of Kiev and Moskva.

LOL, I know right? I am now actively looking for available surface groups to intercept, just to try and get a fight with any of them. The largest cruiser I have yet to encounter is the Kara...no slouch, but not the Kirov or Kiev.

[Akeuila]

Two notable appearances but I've had several more.

'68 Campaign I ran into a Moskva when I made contact with an undetected task force.' 84 Campaign I intercepted my target, a tender with escorts. Needless to say I was shocked to discover that one of the escorts was a Kiev. In that particular engagement we sunk each other.

[Mack]

Originally posted by RED:

I met Kirov during campaign. What was kind of annoying, it was me vs merchant, two obsolete destroyers and the pride of the Soviet Navy.

It should be: merchant, its escort, two Karas, two Udaloys, three Krivaks, one sub, one capital ship vs the player.

It could be a special alternative end-game level mission, these ships carried nuclear shipwrecks, perhaps as a "if you don't sink the fleet they will nuke England and perhaps Holy Loch".