What's up with this series and incest? (Spoiler for sky fc and steel chapter 4)

[HoboForEternity]

Done, chapter 4 of steel and the romantic nuance between rean and elise is just so uncomfortable. I love, truly love the series, but some "japan stereotype" moments feel so uncomfortable.

I mean i can get behind estelle and joshus because they are the same age, plus joshua was adopted when he and estelle are 10 or 11. Old enough to distance themselves as not sibling and only grow uo together for 5 years.

Elise and rean have like 2 - 3 years age different and rean was adopted around when he is 5 and elise around 3, young enough to feel that sibling bond because at that age, sex drive are at absolute zero, whereas 11 or 12 is where boys start to get curious about girls and the reverse and made josh and estelle situation understandable.

Oh yes, dont forget tita and agate too. That straight made me cringe.

[Tomoebi]

Dont over analyze it, they just want to cater to oreimo crowd. Lmao

If you watch anime you'll realize that there is an increase of ♥♥♥♥ anime with incest theme. But in this game they play it safe, because they not related by blood.

While its acceptable in anime/manga crowd, i dont think its acceptable by your regular japanese.

[Erpy]

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Siblings having crushes on one another or being affectionate is considered quite normal in Japan. It's about as tropic an age of maturity as many of those we commonly call teenage "phases".

Is it? I'm aware of most kids having a brief "I'm gonna marry mommy/daddy when I grow up"-phase, but that's generally when they're in early elementary school and they grow out of it long before puberty sets in. Elise is 15 and already at the age where she'd know about the birds and the bees. If Elise was 10 years younger, her crush on her brother would probably be cute instead of awkward.

I don't have any issues with them being affectionate and I'm among the people who thought the scene between them early on in Cold Steel II redeemed her to some extent, the weirdness comes from the fact that she and the rest of the game very much treat her attitude as something with romantic overtones.

[Sashimi Kimochi]

they are not blood related FFS, it's not incest

[Asylum]

wait the end of OPs comment, tita and agate never had anything going on at all wtf. agate treats tita like he would his yougner sister because his sister died, and tita treats agate like the brother she never had.

[Monterossa]

I heard that Sweden allow half-siblings to get married.

[Radene]

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Erika wasn't even funny or endearing, though :/ She was just over the top obnoxious.

What are you even talking about.
Erika was amazing.

Don't worry, you can have her, I'm fine with never seeing her again :)

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I heard that Sweden allow half-siblings to get married.

I heard so many things about Sweden I actually had to go there to see which ones are wrong.

[MabinoZerk]

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they are not blood related FFS, it's not incest

Their lack of blood relation is irrelevant. They both grew up together when they were very young so they're considered brother and sister, adopted or not. That's why some people are weirded out by it.

[Sashimi Kimochi]

lol bullsh!t
i grew up with my childhood friend so if i have feeling for her/him im an incest too ?

[Gabby]

People like to use controversial words as a cry for attention.

[kraidy117]

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lol bullsh!t
i grew up with my childhood friend so if i have feeling for her/him im an incest too ?

Where you raised as siblings and thought you where siblings for most of your childhood and continue to have romantic feelings even when said adoptive sibling has no feelings for you that way what so ever? Hell that's not even Elise's main problem, the problem is that aspect takes over her whole character and is the only reason she even around. Elise could be written out and minimal writing would have to be done. She's a terrible character who is even largly ignored in CS2 too.

[Monterossa]

It's just annoying that it's full of cliches. The protagonist is too dumb to understand her feelings, and she has no balls (of course) to tell him directly, just like every manga/anime that they need 100+ chapters to confess.

[MabinoZerk]

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It's just annoying that it's full of cliches. The protagonist is too dumb to understand her feelings, and she has no balls (of course) to tell him directly, just like every manga/anime that they need 100+ chapters to confess.

I think the Trails series has no shortage of this stuff unfortunately. The plot and world-building are great, but the actual writing could be better at times.

[Meredius]

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It's just annoying that it's full of cliches. The protagonist is too dumb to understand her feelings, and she has no balls (of course) to tell him directly, just like every manga/anime that they need 100+ chapters to confess.

I think the Trails series has no shortage of this stuff unfortunately. The plot and world-building are great, but the actual writing could be better at times.

Which is a weird contrast to the overall great world. If you take the "I love mah bro" out the equation, it still continues the story perfectly. You wouldn't even have to remove the character of Elise.
-She's friends with Alfin and they go th same school - great!
-She misses Rean so she wants to visit him - great!
-His future plans make her really sad and she cries - great!


It just adds nothing to the story or plot that she's in love with Rean. Her not being a fighter is good because it does build tension and conflict in one chapter.

So i'm not debating the related-by-blood nonsense but the reason of it really simply being there in the first place. Because, sometimes the growth and writing is really good (Estelle) and then other times it's trying to be an anime bubble. So the writing seems at odds with itself to some extent.

[OldYagou]

lol

[Tiasmoon]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez BuruBuru:

they are not blood related FFS, it's not incest

Their lack of blood relation is irrelevant. They both grew up together when they were very young so they're considered brother and sister, adopted or not. That's why some people are weirded out by it.

That's certainly an interesting way to look at it. By that standard Childhood friends being close or romanticly involved would creep people out as well.

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It's just annoying that it's full of cliches. The protagonist is too dumb to understand her feelings, and she has no balls (of course) to tell him directly, just like every manga/anime that they need 100+ chapters to confess.

Ahaha. That's certainly the case. To be fair, thats often the case between people that spend a lot of time around each other. Cliche or not.

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Elise could be written out and minimal writing would have to be done. She's a terrible character who is even largly ignored in CS2 too.

Well the same holds true for atleast half of class VII. Doesnt make her a terrible character tho. She hasn't had much time on the screen yet, so it makes sense she's considered a ''terrible character''. Emma for example was a terrible character earlier in the game as well. Stuff actually happening fixed that.

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It just adds nothing to the story or plot that she's in love with Rean. Her not being a fighter is good because it does build tension and conflict in one chapter.

So i'm not debating the related-by-blood nonsense but the reason of it really simply being there in the first place. Because, sometimes the growth and writing is really good (Estelle) and then other times it's trying to be an anime bubble. So the writing seems at odds with itself to some extent.

If it does end up adding something to the game, I'm sure people would complain about ''omg the story is too incest focused'' instead.