shoot around corners

[Greyhound]

Is it just me but my soldiers can't shoot trough open doors unless you set them up in the middel of them. Same thing for corners. Is this a bug?

Will it be possible in the future to customize your troopers? Like for example the country of origins and there picture? Seems to me that right now you can only change name.

[Realm]

Curious about customization as well, I'd really like to be able to change the portraits and nationality for more RP-focused runs.

[Goldhawk]

You should be able to shoot around corners and through doorwards at a 45 degree angle, but it's not possible to lean around corners (because then units would be able to shoot at targets that can't shoot back, and players find it very frustrating if an alien does that to them).

We could add support for customising soldier nationality and portrait during Early Access - it's probably not *that* much work to do it.

It's something we'd have to discuss with the community though as I know some people find it immersion breaking to be able to completely change their soldiers like they're not real people. So I'd need to collect some data on how many people want it versus how many people don't.

[Aerrin Longheart]

Originally posted by Goldhawk:

You should be able to shoot around corners and through doorwards at a 45 degree angle, but it's not possible to lean around corners (because then units would be able to shoot at targets that can't shoot back, and players find it very frustrating if an alien does that to them).

We could add support for customising soldier nationality and portrait during Early Access - it's probably not *that* much work to do it.

It's something we'd have to discuss with the community though as I know some people find it immersion breaking to be able to completely change their soldiers like they're not real people. So I'd need to collect some data on how many people want it versus how many people don't.

I think it's realistic to be able to shoot at someone from cover, and hide around a corner. It gives more use to armour piercing rounds, shooting through walls, and grenades. If I know someone is around a corner, I can move to get a better angle on them too. Personally, I just shoot through walls though. As long as I can shoot at the middle of a square where I think the enemy is, all's fair in love and war.

If nothing else, please make it an option I can toggle to allow bending around corners to shoot.

[TomdeRive]

I have never understand why it is impossible to lean around corners while you can do it in xcom for exemple. Is it for animation problem or gameplay mechanic ?

[Aerrin Longheart]

Originally posted by TomdeRive:

I have never understand why it is impossible to lean around corners while you can do it in xcom for exemple. Is it for animation problem or gameplay mechanic ?

I've played laser tag in real life, and the rules always state you can't hide around corners to be fair. I think the developer is stating the aliens want a fair invasion where they can't hide behind walls and shoot at soldiers because we wouldn't be able to shoot back at them.

I must admit, the aliens are being very kind to not take full advantage of the terrain when shooting at us. I won't give them the same courtesy because I like winning.

[Gonzo]

I remember playing the old UFO Afterlight game from Altar. It had a similar restriction, but what it did have was a firing animation/pose where if a soldier was in a doorway or at a corner it gave a "lean" to the pose that tricked the player into thinking the soldier was peeking around the corner (plus it looked dead cool :D )

[Jamison Wolf]

I agree customisation has to be bigger, better, larger.

About the corner-sniffen... In my imagination, this fight is not a "i poke, you poke!", it's fluid. If you lean around the corner to shoot somebody, the enemy should be able to hit you aswell. We play it turn-based, but "in reality" everything happens kinda at the same time. Thats why in some games, if you shoot or overwatch from a corner, you literally stand in the open and are vulnerable for attacks.

Have only played the Xeno2 Demo (and of course part 1) , so take everything with a grain of salt. I watched some beta-plays and it looked fine.

[💖⎛⎝Silver Knight⎠⎞]

Originally posted by Goldhawk:

You should be able to shoot around corners and through doorwards at a 45 degree angle, but it's not possible to lean around corners (because then units would be able to shoot at targets that can't shoot back, and players find it very frustrating if an alien does that to them).

We could add support for customising soldier nationality and portrait during Early Access - it's probably not *that* much work to do it.

It's something we'd have to discuss with the community though as I know some people find it immersion breaking to be able to completely change their soldiers like they're not real people. So I'd need to collect some data on how many people want it versus how many people don't.

Have it so on increased difficulty this feature is enabled, we want realism, newbie players can play the easy mode with it off. Please don't exclude complexity/deph in the game for newbie players who complain about difficulty.

[Aerrin Longheart]

Originally posted by Jamison Wolf:

If you lean around the corner to shoot somebody, the enemy should be able to hit you aswell. We play it turn-based, but "in reality" everything happens kinda at the same time. Thats why in some games, if you shoot or overwatch from a corner, you literally stand in the open and are vulnerable for attacks.

I agree. That's what overwatch is for. When you lean over to shoot, that's when you can be shot back. If you're not shooting, then you're not exposed to being shot - even if you're in the same place.
Right?... Wrong?...

[Greyhound]

It would be nice to spend TU on leaning out, shoot and again TU to duck back. It should also trigger overwatch if you poke your head out. I think it is very realistic this way. There is a reason why soldiers stack up behind a cover and lean out to shoot. I have no problem with aliens also doing it. Then you need soldiers to keep the alien occupied and another to go and flank him.
Blind fire around corners should also be a thing, with very low odds of hitting of course.

This has noting to do with being new on the contrary this makes it easier than in real life. With only the option of shooting at a 45 degree angle a door or a wall becomes way less dangerous then in real life because nobody is going to poke around the corner.

[Jamison Wolf]

@GRayhound: More "realism" isn't always more good gameplay. The Combat is complex, puttiing more mechanics that you have to watch for (and put UI elements on), drags it only out.

How about a Degree-Option at the start? So you can challange yourself and others can still enjoy it the way it is.

[Sticky Baka]

Originally posted by Goldhawk:

You should be able to shoot around corners and through doorwards at a 45 degree angle, but it's not possible to lean around corners (because then units would be able to shoot at targets that can't shoot back, and players find it very frustrating if an alien does that to them).

We could add support for customising soldier nationality and portrait during Early Access - it's probably not *that* much work to do it.

It's something we'd have to discuss with the community though as I know some people find it immersion breaking to be able to completely change their soldiers like they're not real people. So I'd need to collect some data on how many people want it versus how many people don't.

I would definitely like it, people who don't want to customize never have to touch it.

[Delle(DK)]

Originally posted by Goldhawk:

You should be able to shoot around corners and through doorwards at a 45 degree angle, but it's not possible to lean around corners (because then units would be able to shoot at targets that can't shoot back, and players find it very frustrating if an alien does that to them).

We could add support for customising soldier nationality and portrait during Early Access - it's probably not *that* much work to do it.

It's something we'd have to discuss with the community though as I know some people find it immersion breaking to be able to completely change their soldiers like they're not real people. So I'd need to collect some data on how many people want it versus how many people don't.

A suggestion and solution to be able to shoot around corner.
Imagine if you could get bullets that you can program to fly x route. with 1-2 turns.
Or in real life you now a days can get sniper bullets that can follow a laser so even untrained snipers can hit a target very far away... ( also what if you cold make one soldier lase the target and soldier 2 could fire and "maybe" hit it though they cannot see the target.
Since we have magnetic rifles and other cool gear then maybe that could be a way to make people shoot around corners in the late game.
Or what about a rifle that can pivot and look 90 degree around a corner, there are one rifle in real life that can do this.
( but i think people will cry if aliens can do the same ) ;-)

[Aerrin Longheart]

Originally posted by Delle(DK):

A suggestion and solution to be able to shoot around corner.
Imagine if you could get bullets that you can program to fly x route. with 1-2 turns.
Or in real life you now a days can get sniper bullets that can follow a laser so even untrained snipers can hit a target very far away... ( also what if you cold make one soldier lase the target and soldier 2 could fire and "maybe" hit it though they cannot see the target.
Since we have magnetic rifles and other cool gear then maybe that could be a way to make people shoot around corners in the late game.
Or what about a rifle that can pivot and look 90 degree around a corner, there are one rifle in real life that can do this.
( but i think people will cry if aliens can do the same ) ;-)

I remember this weapon from x-com. It was a rocket that you programmed the course for - I think up to 10 way points. I remember always making the rocket go up and then plunge straight down onto my target. Even if I missed, the target would die.
I don't think aliens ever got such an advanced weapon. It made the game easy.

[Morgian]

This is not what you are looking for, but blowing away the doorway is possible, hopefully together with the lurker. At least at the start are rocket weapons a nice option.
I also found that at least some obstacles can get destroyed by gunfire. There was a fountain in a yard, which gave cover to an alien, but it was turned to debris by a MARS salvo aimed at the alien. I have to experiment some more by shooting at walls or at aliens when I have 0% hit chance due to wall cover.