Choppers and Grinders

[therisinghero1]

So I've played a while now and made it to the second to last species (i believe), but still haven't figured out how this works, I know how to make a basalt chopper, and a granite and obsidian grinder, but I can't tell what the determining factor is, like is it the hardness of the rock or something? I would also like to know how to make choppers from other types of rocks

[Cougarific]

Each type of rock makes its own tool - you can only make Grinders from granite and choppers from Basalt or Obsidian.

Basalt chopper is the best tool in the game, Obsidian not quite as good, and the Granite grinder has its own uses (different from choppers).

[therisinghero1]

Originally posted by Cougarific:

Each type of rock makes its own tool - you can only make Grinders from granite and choppers from Basalt or Obsidian.

Basalt chopper is the best tool in the game, Obsidian not quite as good, and the Granite grinder has its own uses (different from choppers).

how do you make the obsidian chopper? Even if it's not as good would like the milestones for using it

[Cougarific]

Same way you make the other tools, bang it with another rock.

[therisinghero1]

Originally posted by Cougarific:

Same way you make the other tools, bang it with another rock.

Fair enough xD

[RCMidas]

Short of butchering carcasses, is there anything an Obsidian Scraper can do better than a Basalt Chopper?

[Cougarific]

SCRAPER sorry my bad - no RCM not that I'm aware of.

[RCMidas]

Didn't think so. I mean, late epoch gameplay with the right mutations active, a Scraper is very nearly as good as a Chopper for everything else anyway, so it's not a total loss if you can't find basalt to craft. So if you're hunting several creatures, you can still use the Scraper to sharpen sticks all of one extra hit whilst then butchering the carcass all the faster.

[therisinghero1]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Didn't think so. I mean, late epoch gameplay with the right mutations active, a Scraper is very nearly as good as a Chopper for everything else anyway, so it's not a total loss if you can't find basalt to craft. So if you're hunting several creatures, you can still use the Scraper to sharpen sticks all of one extra hit whilst then butchering the carcass all the faster.

I don't think you can use the scaper to sharpen a stick can you?

[RCMidas]

It's only the Granite Grinder that you cannot use on other tools. All other rocks, including the gemstones and meteorites, can be used to modify the base three rocks, branches, and many edible items.

[therisinghero1]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

It's only the Granite Grinder that you cannot use on other tools. All other rocks, including the gemstones and meteorites, can be used to modify the base three rocks, branches, and many edible items.

Why only granite though? Especially considering that that's how most people will first make a scraper, might give the wrong idea (like it did to me) to new players

[RCMidas]

Happenstance. Personally, I took the statement "try to use everything on everything else" pretty literally. Didn't take long to establish that the grinder, using as it does a different animation to other tools, was uniquely suited to its own task and nothing else.

But when a regular rock, a precious stone, a chopper or scraper, and a meteorite all had the same animation for modifying anything, it was easy to deduce that they would share broad modification duties at varying levels of efficiency.

I've got another twenty or so hours of experimentation to complete, I think, before I've got nearly all the combinations confirmed. Or I could rush through the Savannah and Canyon to the Ocean to finish them up in a semi-suicide run. After that, I'll stick up a full guide for people to refer to if they like.

[therisinghero1]

One more questions, on the base im at my babies spawn down a cliff next to where predators spawn as well, (because of the social need skill thing when i change generation i get babies automatically), and a hyena attacked it and now it's bleeding, but i can't seem to hand it the bleed-healing items to heal itself and when it's on my back and i use it myself it doesn't stop the bleeding either. How are you supposed to heal a bleeding baby? Spawns really kinda screwed me over here

[RCMidas]

This may or may not work, but:

1) Prepare and put down an item that can cure bleeding in your camp.
2) Put down the baby and call a couple of your clan over into an expedition.
3) End the expedition at a sleep spot. This ensures that you can do the below.
4) Go over to the bleeding baby and choose to analyse and switch to it.
5) Now playing as the bleeding baby, pick up the healing item and try to use it.

Babies are able to pick up most small items, or even bigger ones like meat chunks and cocos, but normally cannot perform any alterations of them. With a prepared item, it should theoretically be able to use it like any other member of the clan.

EDIT: Just loaded up a game to test it out. This works.

[therisinghero1]

Thank you! :D