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When it comes to Eve, I thought of him as the starry-eyed adoring little brother. Someone who didn't really understand what was going on, but went along with what Adam wanted anyway because he admired him so much. Eve's complete breakdown can also be explained like that: with the one thing he had a connection to and understood ("My brother was everything"), and since he is essentially a child mentally, he throws a tantrum in his grief and inability to understand the world around him.
But as for why they are both "men" to begin with... I haven't got a clue.
That´s the question.... why?
Why both men? No clue.
Romantically involved? Didn’t get that feeling at all.
I am the middle child in a trio of three brothers, and Adam and Eve’s behavior felt like the relationship between brothers, including the breakdown after Adam’s death. The admiration and respect that Eve shows for Adam (including the wish to “play” with him constantly) is all things I myself have felt (and still do on occasion) towards my own big brother.
Even the mental breakdown and tantrum after the death of Adam was “familiar” (I have never experienced it myself, but I imagine I would go through something similar), as Adam was Eve’s everything.
I felt the game really captured the love between brothers quite well. Adam is the world-knowing calm and collected older brother more focused on learning and building a future. Eve is the younger brother who admires and respects Adam. Eve wants to appear “grown up” in the eyes of Adam, yet still play around with him a lot as well. He is still a child growing mentally and trying to live up to Adam’s examples on occasion, while focusing on “fun” things other times, such as playing. He still throws tantrums when he doesn’t get what he wants.
Ugh! Yuck!
These two characters will always appear as brothers to me, and the love they experience is that between brothers. Nothing shown to me in the game hints towards it being sexual in nature.
And if it were sexual in nature, that would basically mean Adam masturbates using his own offspring... Even more yuck!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG0rgoL191E
Looking at all the other machine sub-civilisations before them and the conversations between the brothers, it should be clear the machines have a huge archaeological interest in the past human civilisations and culture. Adam may not appear so, but he is desperately trying to understand humanity and scramble meaning from the Bible (Genesis) and to mimic the recorded human history within as closely as possible.
Adam has had quite a lot of misunderstandings from his studies. As with the wearing of garments and eating of apple, the naming of Adam and Eve for the first humans was yet another thing he adhered very tightly to, even when Eve quite correctly points his own designed gender is male while "Eve" is a female name, and as brothers they ought to be named Cain and Abel.
I won´t enter the whole "are they gay or not stuff" again because in 9S ending it´s obvious they were. Add to that the mention between lovers in the Resistance and YoRHa (6O?) and it´s obvious love (and sex) exists in that world.
Japan is more subtle than the likes of Bioware. Even if it´s a straight couple you won´t find stuff like Dragon Age did. Period. Drakengard 3 was innuendo, not graphical sex, EXACTLY as here. Compare that to the likes of Origins or the other Dragon Ages. Enough said.
So in the end my question more why all the bizarre gender choices here. It´s not just about Eve but also why YoRHa is female-dominated instead of mixed gender like the Resistance is. I think it´s just "to be different and weird" but I always wondered why they chose it and if Yoko taro talked about it. Not saying it wrong, just bizarre.
https://i.imgur.com/EjUvruG.png
♥♥♥♥ me, older brothers can't even embrace their tormented younger brothers to relive them of their suffering without getting people thinking about homosexual incest sex apparently.
Jesus Christ, where's the world heading?
https://www.dualshockers.com/yoko-taro-nier-automata-protagonist-2b-wears-high-heels-just-really-like-girls/
Adult brothers... uh... no? You hug your brother when he is sleeping? Good lord
Then u r gay lelz
FFS, maybe they should have more explicit text in the game, like "Adam holds Eve in a gentle embrace rubbing his crotch in his ass"
We've already mentioned it before, but Adam acts as a typical big brother would do while Eve have the mental capacity and behavior of a child. That changes the whole scene completely into being that of an older brother caring for his younger and tormented brother, who have grieved a lot and thought he had lost his older brother forever.
It's easy to picture how such a scene could come about. Eve "dies" and ends up in the Arc. There he meets Adam and what follows is a massive outburst of emotions from Eve, while he hugs/embraces Adam to ensure that Adam is real and not a fictional creation of Eve's mind. The emotional outburst tires Eve out completely, so he falls into a sleep. Meanwhile Adam acts as an older brother would do in that scenario and continues to embrace his kid brother to ensure that Eve have a peaceful rest at last.
That whole emotional exchange isn't something that just exists between individuals in a sexual relationship. They exist between people regardless of what kind of intimate relationship they're in, whether that be soulmates, brothers, siblings, family, friends, or otherwise. You have a really narrow world view if you can not recognize that.
Adam does not care about Eve in any way, and Eve cares about Adam only because he was created in an attempt to save Adam (when you first fight him in the desert). Eve doesn't have the same sense of self that Adam does, which is why he's so much simpler (he doesn't really care about anything else, because he only has one purpose).
The biblical reference is there because it's the machine's attempt to understand humanity (by reading the Bible—that's the whole scene with eating plant matter to gain knowledge). It's their way of trying to make sense of what they are.
Ok, so idea to you - travel to Saudi Arabia and say you sleep hugging guys, then tell me what happens
Aemony I´m not projecting any fantasy. I already said that Japan mainstream japanese games just treats sex in more subtle ways than western games. That is FACT. I don´t have to post videos of Dragon aAge or Witcher versus Drakengard 3 (the most "sexualized" Yoko Taro game) to prove that, do I? No I don´t. And its obvious that if it´s ♥♥♥♥ stuff then it will be even more subtle. I think it´s funny how you get angry and deny about having a gay couple but won´t care about the lesbian ones.
Guess we´ll have to agree to disagree
Your “interpretation” of it is extremely flawed and not supported by anything in the game. Even devSin’s explanation makes more sense than yours. You’re basically using the “Japanese games are VERY SUBTLE” (they aren’t) card as a ridiculous explanation to reason away anything and everything shown, while supporting your own flawed “interpretation”.
I have no problem with homosexual couples, whether they are male or females. Hell, how could I with homosexual cousins of both genders? That you even suggests such a thing is ridiculous when I’ve constantly focused on the /brother/ aspect of the characters shown throughout the game.
Also only on the internetz an adult guy embracing another can´t be interpreted as gay first and foremost... Aemony you are funny.
Anyway I just wanted to know if anyone had info on why the gender choices were made, since no one has the info a mod can lock this or let the thread die.