I still don't get it

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Anyway, who cares? Most of the players know it already.

Who exactly was behind the YoRHa Project?

[Dreamzera]

the machine mastermind, the terminal, so the machines had a purpose even after defeating everything, even their creators, the aliens. Because they were programmed with a very simple directive "defeat the enemy" , but without an enemy they would not have a purpose in life, and so , no need to exist, and to avoid this predicament , the mastermind created the whole bogus plot, to keep his race going on with a purpose, and that leads to the endless spiral of death and rebirth, and the no escape from it, even tho all thing are meant to die and disappear at a point.

:)

[WarBaby2]

Originally posted by Aellian:

the machine mastermind, the terminal, so the machines had a purpose even after defeating everything, even their creators, the aliens. Because they were programmed with a very simple directive "defeat the enemy" , but without an enemy they would not have a purpose in life, and so , no need to exist, and to avoid this predicament , the mastermind created the whole bogus plot, to keep his race going on with a purpose, and that leads to the endless spiral of death and rebirth, and the no escape from it, even tho all thing are meant to die and disappear at a point.

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Nope, the androids - or better the terminal system - perpetuated the cycle. While the original intent was to just give the androids a reason to life/fight on, in the end, the terminal AI was just using the war to evolve itself, that's why it's newly formed egos shizm over whether to keep the androids - and thus the war - alive or not.

Adam and Eve - the control AI's of the machine network, didn't even know humanity was extinct already.

[Aemony]

@OP: Add some dummy text to your post or something. Your spoiler is shown in the hover over text when someone moves their mouse over the thread title.

[mrcharizard]

In the project YoRHa archive it explicitly states "Command designed Project YoRHa as a means to lift android spirits". Now the problem is if Command is the same as the commander of the bunker.
According to the japanese version, which can be found here
https://www65.atwiki.jp/automata_ex/pages/34.html#id_9324d7b1
the specific phrase corresponding to "Command" is "人類軍司令部" which directly translates to "headquarters of human army", while "the commander of the bunker" was referred to as "司令官", which literally means commander.

So I would say some secret council of androids created project YoRHa, which also explains why they used machine cores instead of android AI. The point is that they need to give the resistance androids hope, while not actually letting them defeat the machines, otherwise it would be awkward when the androids happily fly to the moon to fetch their human overlords....

Also after some google translating, apparently the archive file "[Top secret]Black box" does not contain information about YoRHa disposal....

TBH the developers really wasn't so careful about the english translations....

[Aemony]

It's interesting to see how the views differs amongst us.

Anyway, here's my simple understanding of the story:

An Android cabal of sorts amongst the Androids created Project YoRHa to serve three primary purposes:

1. To perpetuate the belief that mankind still existed, hence raising the hope of the Androids who had begun to lose faith in the war effort since their whole purpose in life was to protect mankind.
2. To build and make use of sacrifical lambs in the fight versus the Machines. These were designated YoRHa Androids and were built using Machine Cores. These were to be all terminated after the war "had been won".
3. To help them win the war against the Machines without sacrificing precious Android life.

What YoRHa and their creators (the Android cabal) didn't realize was that the Machines had, upon killing their Alien creators, already realized that the Machines needed someone to be in conflict with to have purpose in their existence and to further help them evolve.

That's why the final data entry you obtain after completing ending C or D directly states that the Androids (both real and the YoRHa units) were fighting a war they couldn't possibly lose, because the Machines never actually wanted to win themselves and would've made anything possible to prevent the Androids from losing the war.

[WarBaby2]

Ok, spoilers are fair game now, I guess...

As I said: The "Council of Humanity" is what we fight in the end... it's the AI representing the Terminal system (the network androids use). The YoRHa plan might originally have been concocted by a commanding body of andoids, but none of them are still around by the time the 14th machine war started... it became a self perpetuating system.

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Originally posted by Aellian:

the machine mastermind, the terminal, so the machines had a purpose even after defeating everything, even their creators, the aliens. Because they were programmed with a very simple directive "defeat the enemy" , but without an enemy they would not have a purpose in life, and so , no need to exist, and to avoid this predicament , the mastermind created the whole bogus plot, to keep his race going on with a purpose, and that leads to the endless spiral of death and rebirth, and the no escape from it, even tho all thing are meant to die and disappear at a point.

:)

I see. But I thought the purpose of the Terminal was to recreate humanity, every attribute that determine whether a lifeform is human-like or not, but in form of machines. It would eventually have disconnected all the machines from the Network and there would be the entire world of machines like Pascal and villagers and androids. And then I read the story of Emil's bracers and realised that this war meant to be everlasting. But why? Wasn't it A2, 2E and 9S who managed to break the cycle and to prove the Terminal that they have developed themselves to have consciousnesses and feelings that are so close to the ones of human beings and too complex to be focused on only one "treasure"? And the truth about humanity is known to them.

[mrcharizard]

Originally posted by Aemony:

It's interesting to see how the views differs amongst us.

Anyway, here's my simple understanding of the story:

An Android cabal of sorts amongst the Androids created Project YoRHa to serve three primary purposes:

1. To perpetuate the belief that mankind still existed, hence raising the hope of the Androids who had begun to lose faith in the war effort since their whole purpose in life was to protect mankind.
2. To build and make use of sacrifical lambs in the fight versus the Machines. These were designated YoRHa Androids and were built using Machine Cores. These were to be all terminated after the war "had been won".
3. To help them win the war against the Machines without sacrificing precious Android life.

What YoRHa and their creators (the Android cabal) didn't realize was that the Machines had, upon killing their Alien creators, already realized that the Machines needed someone to be in conflict with to have purpose in their existence and to further help them evolve.

That's why the final data entry you obtain after completing ending C or D directly states that the Androids (both real and the YoRHa units) were fighting a war they couldn't possibly lose, because the Machines never actually wanted to win themselves and would've made anything possible to prevent the Androids from losing the war.

I agree with everything you said apart from 1 thing: this android cabal probably didn't want to win the war as well, because if they won the androids would know humans are extinct, hence YoRHa disposal. Basically two sides fighting but neither really wants to win XD

[WarBaby2]

Originally posted by mrcharizard:

Originally posted by Aemony:

It's interesting to see how the views differs amongst us.

Anyway, here's my simple understanding of the story:

An Android cabal of sorts amongst the Androids created Project YoRHa to serve three primary purposes:

1. To perpetuate the belief that mankind still existed, hence raising the hope of the Androids who had begun to lose faith in the war effort since their whole purpose in life was to protect mankind.
2. To build and make use of sacrifical lambs in the fight versus the Machines. These were designated YoRHa Androids and were built using Machine Cores. These were to be all terminated after the war "had been won".
3. To help them win the war against the Machines without sacrificing precious Android life.

What YoRHa and their creators (the Android cabal) didn't realize was that the Machines had, upon killing their Alien creators, already realized that the Machines needed someone to be in conflict with to have purpose in their existence and to further help them evolve.

That's why the final data entry you obtain after completing ending C or D directly states that the Androids (both real and the YoRHa units) were fighting a war they couldn't possibly lose, because the Machines never actually wanted to win themselves and would've made anything possible to prevent the Androids from losing the war.

I agree with everything you said apart from 1 thing: this android cabal probably didn't want to win the war as well, because if they won the androids would know humans are extinct, hence YoRHa disposal. Basically two sides fighting but neither really wants to win XD

Oh, of course, the whole YoRHa project was always intended to be a cycle of loss and restart, that's why the androids used the machine cores of their enemies to build their YoRHa soldiers, because they knew they essentially built them to die. What they didn't predict, though, was that the machines (and therefore their cores) ALSO had the potential to create a "soul", so to speak.

That's one of the real tragidies of the whole story, when you think about it... the androids thought of themself to be superior to the machines from the start, and never realized they are essentially the same.

[Nick Naughty]

Well the story is interesting with the whole death and rebirth, not sure about the aliens part.

I was halve expecting the whole aliens part to be bogus cover up for mutated dead humans, was also expecting the machines and androids etc to be extinct humans.