Emil's Determination as A2

[DeadByLag]

Previously when I maximised all my weapons as 2B, Emil appeared at the shopping mall for the Emil's Determination quest.

However this time round when I do so as A2, he does not appear. Am I missing something?

[Aemony]

Have you completed the quest? If yes, then that's the reason. Otherwise it's probably because you haven't triggered his quest. Basically jumping around in the chapter select resets the whole quest progress completely, which means you must talk to Emil for the first time again at the Desert Camp nearby the City Ruins, and then do it all from the beginning.

[DeadByLag]

I completed the quest (with 2B) in my previous save, which I sacrificed after route E.

This is a completely new playthrough and save game file.

I have already gone as far as to unlock Emil's home chest with 9S and defeat him in the cave. After passing me his weapons, I upgraded to the max and was expecting him to show up at the shopping mall. But, he is not there.

[Aemony]

Originally posted by riotangel:

I have already gone as far as to unlock Emil's home chest with 9S and defeat him in the cave.

Originally posted by riotangel:

After passing me his weapons, I upgraded to the max and was expecting him to show up at the shopping mall. But, he is not there.

Did you use Chapter Select inbetween those two parts? Because as I mentioned Emil gets reset when doing so. Since the secret boss fight isn't actually a quest you basically need to 1) visit Emil at the desert/city ruins border and talk to him "for the first time" all over again, then 2) you need to TP around a bit, do other stuff, then come back and talk to him once more, I think. After that you should be able to find him in the shopping mall if you've already completed the Emil's Memories quest with the Lunar Tears.

[DeadByLag]

Originally posted by Aemony:

Did you use Chapter Select inbetween those two parts? Because as I mentioned Emil gets reset when doing so. Since the secret boss fight isn't actually a quest you basically need to 1) visit Emil at the desert/city ruins border and talk to him "for the first time" all over again, then 2) you need to TP around a bit, do other stuff, then come back and talk to him once more, I think. After that you should be able to find him in the shopping mall if you've already completed the Emil's Memories quest with the Lunar Tears.

I have spoken to him on the road multiple times now, and he does not make any special mention. I did end up receiving two emails from him eventually about boredom and fishing. But still no quest available at the mall.

[DeadByLag]

So I sent A2 down the cave and found in Emil's home his mask out in the open. Unsurprisingly I could not pick up another since I already have one in inventory. On resurfacing, Emil did complain about the burglary, which thereby places the locked chest the next time I "sneak in".

And of course, I cannot unlocked that since I'm not playing as 9S this time round.

Seems to me on chapter select jumps, that part of initialisation with Emil is reset. However, must one really go through that whole procedure again on each new chapter select? I have already completed Emil's Memories long ago, unlocked his chest and beaten him for his fist weapons.

I thought the remaining requirement is for one to have 100% of weapons upgrade to maximum thereafter. Which I have accomplished.

[DeadByLag]

Ok I really am lost as to what else I need to perform as A2 in order for Emil to relocate himself to the shopping mall and offer the quest. Some of the extra miles I tried

• Had it anything to do with the fishing achievement (A Round by the Pound - 20 different kinds of fish caught)? After all, this being my second game replay I didn't bother to fish much since I already scored the achievement previously. But since Emil sent me a mail regarding fish, I just went ahead and fished out more than 20 kinds. And yeap fishing is unrelated; he just sends that mail I believe simply as guidance toward the achievement.
  
• Moved from Chapter 14-05 to 12-01. This should not be necessary as the quest counter across these chapters all indicate I have one final shared quest undone (59/60), which is Emil's Determination. If the chapters have the shared counter there, it should mean quest availability.
  
• Have A2 pay a visit to the original Emil's lunar tear cave.
  
• Re-did the whole introductory sequence with Emil on the road again upon chapter restart. The first two times had unique conversations with A2, but beyond that he reduces to just being a vendor. Seems like the first two unique encounters will trigger resends of the "Waaaaaay Bored" and FIshing mails but they appear unrelated.
  
• Venturing down his cavern home again naturally went as far as him complaining about burglary but I can't hack the locked chest to trigger another cave fight.
  
• Unplug all my drop-rate chips. Can't farm the last Emil boss anyway.
  
• Read through all weapon stories, especially Emil Heads. Seems like having 100% weapons all Lv 4 is not enough.

[Jeruzalem]

ive started my second playthrough today which appearently is 9s, and i noticed how all the quests i finished with 2b, are finished now. the only quests i now do with 9s are the quests i didnt do with 2b. its also on a new save.

[DeadByLag]

Originally posted by 3rc Jeruzalem:

ive started my second playthrough today which appearently is 9s, and i noticed how all the quests i finished with 2b, are finished now. the only quests i now do with 9s are the quests i didnt do with 2b. its also on a new save.

Emil's Determination is a shared quest - can be accomplished as 2B, 9S, or A2.

I previously completed it as 2B on my first save. Now I am having difficulty triggering it as A2.

[DeadByLag]

Alright, so after further chapter re-selects I found that 2B and 9S have the quest available to them; Emil is right there at the shopping mall waiting. Then I notice a certain sub-chapter for 9S mysteriously omitted Emil, and he won't appear around the city streets either.

I re-selected chapter 16-02 this time as A2, and lo and behold, Emil is there! Seems to me, if it is not a bug, only very specific sub-chapters makes Emil available.

[PackAPoncho]

Originally posted by riotangel:

Alright, so after further chapter re-selects I found that 2B and 9S have the quest available to them; Emil is right there at the shopping mall waiting. Then I notice a certain sub-chapter for 9S mysteriously omitted Emil, and he won't appear around the city streets either.

I re-selected chapter 16-02 this time as A2, and lo and behold, Emil is there! Seems to me, if it is not a bug, only very specific sub-chapters makes Emil available.

I had the exact same problems you had and tried almost everything you tried, nothing worked for me either. I was getting worried but this last update you made worked for me too, thank you so much!

[BlackRoseWaltz]

seems it doesn't work for chapter 16-02 as A2 for me. i have all weapons and they're all upgraded to max level, this is my first playthrough, i haven't done route d yet, but i have completed route c, not that i think that is related. of course i did emil's memories, as you have to do that to acquire all weapons in the first place, and i defeated him in the cave, stole his ♥♥♥♥, etc, etc, have to do that to get all weapons maxed out anyway... i tried meeting him as 2B, 9S, and A2, though i'd preferably like to start the quest with A2. so far i initiated the first encounter with emil... again... on chapter 16-02 specifically as A2. after that... nothing. he goes about doing his usual emil-ey things. was there ANYTHING else you did on that chapter to start emil's determination? like, did you visit the tower first to make sure every time you relocate to another access point the damn thing stops announcing "whoever gets to the tower first, blah blah blah... "? because if so... DETAILS LIKE THAT ARE IMPORTANT, thanks. unless it isn't chapter 16-02, i'm missing something, or... i mean, i dunno. completely lost. would like a hand.

[Well]

Originally posted by riotangel:

Alright, so after further chapter re-selects I found that 2B and 9S have the quest available to them; Emil is right there at the shopping mall waiting. Then I notice a certain sub-chapter for 9S mysteriously omitted Emil, and he won't appear around the city streets either.

I re-selected chapter 16-02 this time as A2, and lo and behold, Emil is there! Seems to me, if it is not a bug, only very specific sub-chapters makes Emil available.

Hi Friend, I'm going through the same problem, please can you help me? I already got the mask and defeated the emil with the 9s, but no emil does not appear in the commercial. I have all weapons at the maximum level. I just completed this emil determination quest on the last route ...

I need to face him to get the final Y to be able to platinum the game.
Sorry for my english, I'm from another country

[DeadByLag]

You would have to try various chapters' timeline to see which one is "suitable" for your case. I understood that everybody seems to get Emil to appear at the shopping mall via different chapters. Mine just so happened to be 16-02.

[Well]

Hi, thanks RIOTANGEL, I checked and I think this is a game error, NIER programming will not let you do a side quest again. Even if you go back in the chapter ... example: You can not do the mission "EMIL'S MEMORIES" again, after the first time done, even going back in the chapters.

The mission "EMIL DETERMINATION", when you defeat the secret emil boss in the desert begins a countdown, if the score ends and you do not destroy the emil, you make the final Y, correct!

However, if you destroy EMIL before the countdown ends, you will complete the EMIL DETERMINATION mission, and this mission can not be activated again, so you can not face EMIL as a secret boss again after completing the mission, without do the "Y" bad ending.

[Aemony]

It’s by design. Finished side quests can’t be repeated, and achieving ending Y relies on getting a Game Over and not actually complete the quest. If you complete the quest without obtaining ending Y then you’ll never obtain it on that save. You’ll have to restart the game.

That’s why ending Y is the only missable ending, as it relies on that particular side quest.