What I think of DUSK

[Salty Rootbeer]

I never got the chance to play Doom, or Quake, or Wolfenstein 3D during their hayday. Hell, I still haven't played any of those. But I loved Unreal Tournament. The twitchy gameplay with fast-paced movements was so damn satisfying to me, even though I was bad at it (I am still tbh).
Since then, I've looked all over to recapture that feeling. I have tons of what ammounts to shovelware sitting in my Steam library because those games promised that very thing. Twitchy, 90's like gameplay and arena-style multiplayer. What I got instead were disheartened, bland pieces of garbage. Doom 2016 was fun, but to me, it wasn't quite the same. I felt badass tearing out a fat demon's jugular with my bear hands and slashing through hordes of imps with a chainsaw, but it couldn't do what Unreal Tournament did for me.
And then I heard a whisper on the wind. "DUSK".
I didn't know anything about this game to start. I heard it was "Piggybacking on the success and nostalgia of 90's shooters like Doom and Quake," but when I finally was convinced to look into it, well, what I found was just, bliss....
DUSK took all of the sh*tty nostalgia magnets (the boring, bland 90's shooter wannabes I mentioned before) and shoved a rocket launcher into their collective *sshole.
What I saw in DUSK was what I wanted, what I've been wanting for years.
I can't even put it into words. It wasn't real nostalgia, I was late for that train. I never played with a DOS system, or anything of the sort. In fact, when I was a kid, what I had for games was Nintendo. Family friendly platformers and racing games. It wasn't nostalgia that got to me. It obviously wasn't the graphics (by the way, you can actually run this game just fine on a system from 1996, which I think is just COOL), and it very clearly wasn't the story. As an amateur author myself, I wasn't even looking for a coherent story to begin with.
Maybe it was just the "No bullsh*t. Here's a shotgun. Murder everything in your way" type of feel the game eccentuates with every gibbed chainsaw-wielding demonic redneck, and with every death scream uttered by hooded, fire-flinging cultists. I mean, you can literally kill your enemies by throwing the bones and viscera you find on the ground!
Maybe it was the satisfying sounds. Each shotgun blast makes my eardrums dance with pure joy, and the dull, echoing THUD of every rocket and grenade tells the tanks in Battlefield to f*ck off.
Maybe it was how damn well-engineered the movement system is. This game's movement system is Unreal Tournament on steroids! You can do a full back/front flip in midair and blast the sonofab*tch behind you to kingdom come!
I don't know what it was that made me buy DUSK. I went in almost blind, and paid 20 bucks on a game that isn't even finished yet, with no clue as to what the developers were looking to add. And I loved the hell out of every moment.
I am looking forward to the full release of this game, and I fully recommend buying it as is now, and putting your trust into the developers to complete this game SOON. They haven't just been riding the 90's nostalgia bus for nothing. I mean, this game is everything good about the 90s jacked up to 11.

[MuscularMelvin]

Dude...what the hell? How can you compare DUSK to the classics when you've never even played them? How can you trash Doom 2016 when you have no frame of reference to compare it to? You can't compare a series of botmatches in tight corridors to slaughtering hordes of enemies in huge, non-linear maps.
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/idstuff/doom/doom19s
All the classics have shareware demos, so start with Doom. Other than that, it's nice to see younger generations getting into these types of old-school shooters.

[Salty Rootbeer]

Unreal Tournament was simply the only real experience I had from these twitchy, arcade-y shooters before DUSK, as well as a bit of dabbling in Doom 2016 (which I think is a great game. I wasn't really trashing it as much as i was stating that DUSK just feels faster and more satisfying to me). And I just don't really know how the oldies played. I know of them, and i've seen gameplay, but I myself have never played it.
I appreciate you sharinge the shareware though :). I'll be sure to find the time to play them at some point.

[MuscularMelvin]

Whatever you do, don't make the same mistake that a lot of other young people make and play Brutal Doom first. Play the vanilla experience to get a feel for how the game was meant to be played and then try the mod to see if you like it or not.

[Salty Rootbeer]

Will do.

[ChonkyRat]

Problem IMO is all those games are basically free now, downloadable from many sites, and even have released source codes promoting heavily modded campaigns.

then this game comes out and wants to be like them, and wants over $20 (1/6th the witcher 3 cost for perspective) to be "old school". im not going to pay that much for a mimiced old game just because its recently (soon TM) released. theyre going to cut out a ♥♥♥♥ ton of sales for being cocky and overpricing.

[MuscularMelvin]

^Yeah, but
1. That's piracy.
2. Doom, Wolf3D, and Quake all cost $5 from Steam; around $1.49 during sales.
3. If you can't even afford a $20 game, why did you decide to become a PC gamer in the first place?
4. David is a nice guy full of passion for the retro FPS sub-genre. You'd really deny him money for all the love and hard work he's put into Dusk?

[Salty Rootbeer]

Publicado originalmente por {Veiny Dog}Lara Croft:

Problem IMO is all those games are basically free now, downloadable from many sites, and even have released source codes promoting heavily modded campaigns.

then this game comes out and wants to be like them, and wants over $20 (1/6th the witcher 3 cost for perspective) to be "old school". im not going to pay that much for a mimiced old game just because its recently (soon TM) released. theyre going to cut out a ♥♥♥♥ ton of sales for being cocky and overpricing.

The thing about DUSK is that while it IS trying to be a game from the 90s, it isn't. It has similar gameplay to things like Quake, but if you ignore the very obvious 90's astetic, DUSK's gameplay is more evolved than that. I mean, yeah, there is rocketjumping, strafing, bunny hopping, etc., but this is the only shooter I know of that has an unlocked Y axis (meaning you can spin around in every direction and do a double front flip, if that's your thing). It's an awesome project that I am willing to support. If you aren't a fan of parting with $20 to build up an awesome community and help the developers provide us with free content, content for a new and blossoming community, might I add, then go ahead. Pirate Doom for free when it is only 5 bucks on steam.
If I may add, NewBlood is looking to do everything with DUSK. Multiplayer, tons of official singleplayer content, mod support, a level editor, and tons more. $20 isn't really too much to ask for, especially since every update DUSK gets is totally free. I can think of tons of sh*ttier games priced at well over $20. And DUSK has a community that is steadily growing. They aren't cutting out on sales by asking for money. Tbh, I'd much rather play DUSK as it is now, with one episode and one endless map, than some free-to-play arena style multiplayer bugfest. And yes, that includes paying the $20 they are asking for.

[MuscularMelvin]

OP, it's people like you that give me hope for newer generations of retro FPS players.

[^2GT*Cha^1sodey]

OP, I can advice to play Blood, one more classic shooter from 90s with excellent atmosphere and teeth-melting difficult but Steam version doesn't have any launchers or something, only naked DOSbox, so spend a minute in game community to find a launcher

[El Oshcuro]

OP thank you for your post - it has made me cry manly tears.

And if anyone doesn't think DUSK is worth $20 for the amount of content we're providing at launch then I encourage you to wait until we add enough content for you to feel it IS worth it. Or pirate it, love it - then buy it. Or just go play something else.

Also I got a kick out of the 1/6 the price of the Witcher 3. I'm not sure that's how math works.

[MuscularMelvin]

Still think the Discord is the worst New Blood community, Oshry?

[El Oshcuro]

Publicado originalmente por volcanic_lightning:

Still think the Discord is the worst New Blood community, Oshry?

NO IT'S THE BEST I NEVER SAID IT WAS THE WORST.

[Salty Rootbeer]

Publicado originalmente por El Oshcuro:

OP thank you for your post - it has made me cry manly tears.

And if anyone doesn't think DUSK is worth $20 for the amount of content we're providing at launch then I encourage you to wait until we add enough content for you to feel it IS worth it. Or pirate it, love it - then buy it. Or just go play something else.

Also I got a kick out of the 1/6 the price of the Witcher 3. I'm not sure that's how math works.

I have been blessed. HELLO YOU BAD*SS PERSON!
Thank you guys for making a game that I love so damn much. I wish you fine people the best of luck. :D

[Krab]

Dusk is cancel everyone go home

[Muddy]

As-salāmu ʿalaykum and shadilay my brothern.
Today my thread has been locked and moved. In retaliation to these transgressions I propose a never ending, and unwaivering torrent of "Brutal Dusk" disscussions from hince forth.

Publicado originalmente por {Veiny Dog}Lara Croft:

Problem IMO is all those games are basically free now, downloadable from many sites, and even have released source codes promoting heavily modded campaigns.

then this game comes out and wants to be like them, and wants over $20 (1/6th the witcher 3 cost for perspective) to be "old school". im not going to pay that much for a mimiced old game just because its recently (soon TM) released. theyre going to cut out a ♥♥♥♥ ton of sales for being cocky and overpricing.

On a real note this is a bad way of thinking imo. Pirating those old games is no big deal for me as the people who created those games are not seeing any money from modern day sales. A lot of these game studios have been bought out and sold several times over. With the original emplyees long gone. When you buy a game like DUSK you are supporting the devs (after Steam gets its cut). Gaming trends follow the money so if you throw money at modern old skool fps maybe...just maybe you can help have a positive trend in the overall game market. If you pirate games like Dusk that just reinforeces publishers to add DRM, DLC, loot boxes, and other microtransations tainting the market.