The Plane

[Seth.]

This plane is usefull for something....on ground hawe one single direction ,Forward . Realllllly????!!

[LuckySeven]

Originally posted by Seth.:

Let's see, I land the plane on the runway, I brake as much as possible and I stop at a moment at the end of it. To be able to leave this place, I have to return this plane back to that runway. ...surprise, a few meters from me, there is a fence, maybe an exploded car or a tree... it could be anything! How exactly can I get some speed to turn this plane?! Regardless of what you think, this plane in the game is one single use!

Good morning,
unfortunaltley your are a "just do it" player without the patience to read yourself into stuff.

The thrust of the plane is generated by the propeller. The propeller has 3 thrust levels. the propeller is controlled via the mouse wheel. If you press the brake (space bar) and give slow thrust with the mouse, you can turn the airplane using the Q and E buttons. To move backwards, press the C button. A flat surface is important for this. I've been flying the same airplane since it was introduced in the game.

But it's like real life. Not everyone has the skills to fly.

[Scott Chaeney]

Planes no longer move backwards.

Originally posted by LuckySeven:

Originally posted by Seth.:

.... To move backwards, press the C button. A flat surface is important for this. ...

In real life you can move a plane backwards. The airplanes should be able to move backwards when on ground as there is some control over them for taxiing purposes., In scum, however, the C key no longer moves the plane backwards.

[Scott Chaeney]

The planes are pretty ♥♥♥♥ now. They now currently cannot really be controlled on ground. it's not practical to have to have them going as fast as they need to go in order to get it to move left and right. And even than it's very minuscule moments. Plus, the revers button no longer works, so only way to move it backwards is "nudge backwards".

I understand you guys are going for realism, but this isn't very realistic. Even in real life, a "duster" style plane actually does have the ability to move left, right and backwards while on ground albeit not very fast. the update to the planes this most recent that changed the sound of them and the controls on the ground is pretty broken and makes them completely useless.

Planes were my thing in the game. Currently, they are quite useless.. No real way to taxi them to position for parking or to take off, no reverse in case you get stuck or don't turn in time due to the taxi'ing function removed. There's needing to be drastic changes here otherwise the planes are just not worth it and may as well be removed.. again lol.

[serilium]

a plane that goes forward but not backwards on the ground isn`t balanced, and if it isn`t steer able then clearly players are going to complain, the devs must have known this so this worthless plane is designed to be this way, and thus in my opinion the devs made this to upset some of the players for reasons only they know, i don`t understand why they could not just make it work like it use to, it`s code after all it`s not like they have to build a thousand planes in real life, some people just want a plane they can steer why is it so differcult for the devs to fix this.

[kitkat]

I think the intention was to increase the difficulty as planes are a high value asset. I'm all fine with that part.

However claiming "realism" is where I object. As I have tried explaining earlier one is very much able to turn even spurrwheeled aircraft on the spot IRL. You do NOT steer aircraft on the ground by airflow. You appy brakes to the wheels on either side.
On the other hand I have never heard of planes being able to go backwards by their own engine.
My point being, we accept some unrealistic features while referring to realism for others.

Lets be clear, this is not a flightsim, its a game that thrives on a lot of realism mixed with fiction and playability. I think most of us agree on this.

So the trick is to find the right difficulty for the players. Based on the feedback I read here many people are annoyed with the new way of handling aircraft on the ground, whilst others dont care or have found a way to master it.

My personal opinion is that taxiing should not be made overly difficult to let people enjoy their trophies. Make them consume more fuel or need service more often to increase their operational cost, but let people have control over their aircraft.

Cheers
/Kitkat

[insettoinfetto]

Originally posted by kitkat:

I think the intention was to increase the difficulty as planes are a high value asset. I'm all fine with that part.

However claiming "realism" is where I object. As I have tried explaining earlier one is very much able to turn even spurrwheeled aircraft on the spot IRL. You do NOT steer aircraft on the ground by airflow. You appy brakes to the wheels on either side.
On the other hand I have never heard of planes being able to go backwards by their own engine.
My point being, we accept some unrealistic features while referring to realism for others.

Lets be clear, this is not a flightsim, its a game that thrives on a lot of realism mixed with fiction and playability. I think most of us agree on this.

So the trick is to find the right difficulty for the players. Based on the feedback I read here many people are annoyed with the new way of handling aircraft on the ground, whilst others dont care or have found a way to master it.

My personal opinion is that taxiing should not be made overly difficult to let people enjoy their trophies. Make them consume more fuel or need service more often to increase their operational cost, but let people have control over their aircraft.

Cheers
/Kitkat

+1

[CrankyOldMan]

https://youtu.be/tXmH3OMvSuU

Some planes can! Go backwards!

[MONKWORKS]

i had to go into single player. Spawn the plane and put a few hours into learning how to take off and land. AT first the leaning curve is steep, but you quickly learn is very easy. I can take off in less then 100 feet. I can also pull of some crazy landings. but this took time practicing.

So what is the purpose of it?
You can not currently sell it.
You need to customize your base to accommodate it.

Only uses i guess are faster loot runs to trader?
spotting OP bases.
Air to ground attacks.

now depending on what server flavor you like. the plane can be fun or something useless really. For example in Hardcore you would be taking great risk flying it. In x3 loot server its more usable i guess to do loot runs to trader.
also, turning on ground. use the space bar up the rpm of the plane turn you tail and slowly it turns. its very finicky and if landing on 45 the plane may not back up.
Its also a paper cannon. weak and frail.

[Spetz]

Originally posted by Ģ◊иŽФ⚡∀mηЯΛ¥𐍂ð:

I would prefer a helicopter stead of a plane, or atleast get the floatplane back, there are also many amphibious planes available which could be added they can land on water and on land.

I would too but I also get the design of the plane which OP doesn't seem to understand. But thats just my preference, always have preferred helis.

[kitkat]

Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:

https://youtu.be/tXmH3OMvSuU

Some planes can! Go backwards!

Yes, even some jets use reverse thrust to BRAKE, that is not uncommon.
But Im talking about taxiing backwards by their own engine. I've never seen it. If you find an example Im genuinely interested.

Btw I dont want the devs to remove the backing feature unless they implement pushing/towing of the airplanes.

Cheers

[dbox123]

Getting the plane out of the hangers is tricky, mainly as the mechs are are shooting at you while you do it, but once its out its easy to land, taxi and take off, you can still turn the plane on a dime.

[CrankyOldMan]

Originally posted by kitkat:

Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:

https://youtu.be/tXmH3OMvSuU

Some planes can! Go backwards!

Yes, even some jets use reverse thrust to BRAKE, that is not uncommon.
But Im talking about taxiing backwards by their own engine. I've never seen it. If you find an example Im genuinely interested.

Btw I dont want the devs to remove the backing feature unless they implement pushing/towing of the airplanes.

Cheers

https://youtu.be/SySNTEgXJp4

[Radonator]

plane does reverse. just hold C, no throttle needed. hold down C, its slow, and slow to get going an goes very slow but it goes (backs up).
btw- it wont steer in reverse either. straight back is all.

[kitkat]

Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:

Originally posted by kitkat:

Yes, even some jets use reverse thrust to BRAKE, that is not uncommon.
But Im talking about taxiing backwards by their own engine. I've never seen it. If you find an example Im genuinely interested.

Btw I dont want the devs to remove the backing feature unless they implement pushing/towing of the airplanes.

Cheers

https://youtu.be/SySNTEgXJp4

Ask the internet and the internet will find. Thanks bud.

[PabloSpacebar]

You can help turning plane on low speed if you go full throttle, press brake(spacebar) and then steer (q,e).
Brake does not hold it for too long so be carefull and throttle down and repeat.

Problem is if you get stuck against a tree.. when you nudge it left/right it wants to flip upside down and then say goodbye to your plane bcs it’s impossible to flip it back.