No Thread and Other Complaints

[Darth Brandon]

I've been playing for a few hours now on this new update, looted several towns, and these are my complaints so far:

Firstly, I have yet to find a single piece of thread. The fact that thread is a requirement for so many of the crafting recipes is already a problem for me, because it almost negates the reason for crafting in the first place. Why would anyone ever craft half the stuff that we are able to make, if you need to loot towns/POI's for the materials to make them, during which time you'll likely find better stuff anyway. This is even worse now because with the recent loot "rework" thread (as well as other important materials it seems) are a rarity. My suggestion for the thread problem would be to add a primitive form of thread, just like we have a primitive form of needle (bone needles). I think sinew, which the player could harvest from both animals and puppets, would be a good material to make into thread.

Additionally I think the nerf to regular puppets' loot is completely unnecessary. The inability to sell their clothes was already enough of a balancing measure. Now they drop almost nothing, one article of clothing, usually the shoes, as well as possibly another piece of junk. In my opinion this serves to only make the game less immersive. If this is the route Gamespires would like to take, however, I would once again suggest a new recipe, or rather a set of new recipes: primitive clothes. Both rag clothes and better animal/puppet skin clothes. The current animal skin pants/jacket look quite silly, and because they require a sewing kit (and thus thread) they serve no real purpose for the reason I stated previously. Especially with the recent addition of hand abrasions, improvised gloves are a must.

My other major problem is with the hunting rework, which I've seen others discussing. I dislike how the hunting rework is just a pointless, even tedious, mini-game instead of anything truly substantial; it also relies on directional audio which I find to be pretty awful in SCUM, especially for those such as myself with no or low-quality headphones. This rework also makes the world feel even more lifeless. They already removed birds a while back, and now we don't even have surprise attacks from the wildlife to worry about/look forward to. Instead of being scared when I hear wolves howling at night, now I'd just feel disappointed hearing it because I know it is just ambient audio, instead of a real threat.

It also makes me seriously doubtful about the developer's ability to add NPCs to the game, or at least in any sort of meaningful or fun way. If they can't even do animals without having serious concerns about performance, how can we realistically expect roaming bandits, dungeons/caves with monsters, and all the other things that we've seen shown off in concept art.

I've been a big supporter of this game since before it was even released, but with all of the negative changes, lack of support + content for singleplayers/PVE players, and problems with balancing performance with the massive map they've made, I no longer feel the confidence in this game or Gamespires as I once did.

For anyone that read to the end:
What are your thoughts?
What problems do you have with the update?
What changes would you like to see?

[Andi]

I agree that the audio clues are pretty useless if you haven't got the proper equipment to make use of it.
Even worse if you have hearing problems like myself.
I couldn't hunt down a single animal as of yet, it's just hard for me to make out the right direction.
And unfortunately its already game over if you happen to stumble in the wrong direction for two minutes.
You're wrong about the predators tho.
They still spawn occasionally and are as dangerous as before.
Been mauled by wolfs yesterday wich just came running out of the bushes.
Heard them howls and thought the same, '... whatever, there's nothing to fear anymore'
WRONG! ;b

[Dies Fourth]

This type of feedback is EXACTLY what the game and the team needs to see, thank you for taking the time to put your thoughts on the screen : }

[BigV419]

Originally posted by Dies Fourth:

This type of feedback is EXACTLY what the game and the team needs to see, thank you for taking the time to put your thoughts on the screen : }

wish i had point on steam i would give you awards all day bro

[Danka]

I like the amount of puppets and the spreading. I kinda miss the wildlife. I get there is no oh crap moment anymore when you hear a wolf or bear. I think your ideas about other bots and NPCs is a pipe dream. I don't know for sure but it appears to me they are already pushing the limitations of the engine. Removing wildlife has given us better puppet spawns. We will probably see more spawned in mini games like hunting for any added npcs. Not hating on it, I get it and I hope they can figure it out. This hunting update is more lame than its not. Hopefully they are learning from it and altering it to make it more immersive and engaging. Just a frustrating thing that just gets ignored. Please fix directional sound. A lot of games do it right, not sure what the issue is. Tried the 3D sound setting, headset, speakers, no matter what it kinda sucks.

Also I have not had any issues finding thread.

[Dies Fourth]

Originally posted by BigV419:

Originally posted by Dies Fourth:

This type of feedback is EXACTLY what the game and the team needs to see, thank you for taking the time to put your thoughts on the screen : }

wish i had point on steam i would give you awards all day bro

lol i get enough " jester " awards as it is ;p

i appreciate that but just try to help other players who are lost and or frustrated

The learning curve in this game is straight up ! theres no curve involved lol

[Dies Fourth]

Originally posted by BigV419:

you

Originally posted by Dies Fourth:

lol i get enough " jester " awards as it is ;p

i appreciate that but just try to help other players who are lost and or frustrated

The learning curve in this game is straight up ! theres no curve involved lol

no bro you need more and more and more and more all day everyday

your true colors are still shining through as sad as that is
/blocked
goodbye

[CrankyOldMan]

I have had wolves walking through c1 big town and bears chasing me through c3 big town.

[Beda]

Hey there OP, firstly thank you for your nicely put and constructive feedback. Let me address some od your concerns. As for the thread, the loot rework is fresh, so we are still looking into community feedback for tweaks. As for the hunting rework wolves and bears still spawn and are still a danger to you. The non predatory animals however now require more skill to hunt. Give it some time learn it a bit. We tested it on multiple types of headphones and the audio worked fine just make sure you don't have any audio enhancing 3rd party software enabled.

[InDaZone]

Originally posted by Darth Brandon:

I've been playing for a few hours now on this new update, looted several towns, and these are my complaints so far:

Firstly, I have yet to find a single piece of thread. The fact that thread is a requirement for so many of the crafting recipes is already a problem for me, because it almost negates the reason for crafting in the first place. Why would anyone ever craft half the stuff that we are able to make, if you need to loot towns/POI's for the materials to make them, during which time you'll likely find better stuff anyway. This is even worse now because with the recent loot "rework" thread (as well as other important materials it seems) are a rarity. My suggestion for the thread problem would be to add a primitive form of thread, just like we have a primitive form of needle (bone needles). I think sinew, which the player could harvest from both animals and puppets, would be a good material to make into thread.
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My other major problem is with the hunting rework, which I've seen others discussing. I dislike how the hunting rework is just a pointless, even tedious, mini-game instead of anything truly substantial; it also relies on directional audio which I find to be pretty awful in SCUM, especially for those such as myself with no or low-quality headphones. This rework also makes the world feel even more lifeless. They already removed birds a while back, and now we don't even have surprise attacks from the wildlife to worry about/look forward to. Instead of being scared when I hear wolves howling at night, now I'd just feel disappointed hearing it because I know it is just ambient audio, instead of a real threat.

I sometimes have issues pin pointing audio too but something I’ll do that might help is quickly pan left and right when I hear a noise. Kind of helps my brain “triangulate” better.

Regarding loot, I’m having a very different experience than a lot of people describe on here. It makes me wish I could watch how people are playing.

[bspawn]

I could be mistaken but it seems that since the update clothing repair requires more uses of sewing kit, and needles are much more plentiful which is not really necessary because we can make needles from puppet bones - and the thing that is necessary is much more rare: thread.

[Sr. Morajsakom]

Originally posted by bspawn:

the thing that is necessary is much more rare: thread.

Maybe youre looking from wrong places? I have both needles and thread so much i had to stop collecting them.

[bspawn]

Originally posted by Sr. Morajsakom:

Originally posted by bspawn:

the thing that is necessary is much more rare: thread.

Maybe youre looking from wrong places?

Houses and inevitably puppets, which drop a lot of needles. I have like 20 needles and found two thread.

[Sr. Morajsakom]

Ive not got threads from puppets but houses in southern towns like Tisno, Tijat, Turanj, Apatija.

[bspawn]

Maybe thread has been made location bound, which imo would be silly.

[Sr. Morajsakom]

Originally posted by bspawn:

Maybe thread has been made location bound, which imo would be silly.

I was thinking this too, maybe other items also? Some people say theyre not finding nails or needles on another discussion. I find bolts and nails almost the same amount. No absinthe at all which is scary.