WIll 1.0 Be a Full Wipe or Not? Please stop leading us on.

[Kiethoo]

I want to be as respectful as possible because I appreciate that the devs for this game are so active on the steam community page, but the lack of a real response to this question other then "We haven't decided" needs to be addressed.

Many of us who play this game have been using the same character since 0.6 started the "Soft-Wipes" of simply removing everything from the server except for created characters allowing us to keep our stats and skill gains.

Later when GOLD was added Soft Wipes also allowed us to keep our GOLD in addition to our characters.

With 1.0 coming the Dev Team clearly has to decide on what appears to be one of three options...

FULL WIPE - Everything is wiped, Characters, Currency, Maps. Everything and Everyone is new for 1.0 and everyone is on a even start.

Currency Wipe - Everyone's stockpiled gold is removed and everyone starts at 0 Gold, but their character and accumulated stats/skills remain.

Soft Wipe - Characters and their Stats, Skills, and Gold Remain on a fresh map in 1.0.

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Many in the community will side with one of the options here and each has its merits.
I for one believe that a simple Currency Wipe for 1.0 is the way to go as it will REMOVE the massive amounts of Gold collected by cheaters over the last few patches. But more importantly I DO NOT BELIEVE A FULL WIPE IS THE BEST OPTION as it would PUNISH those loyal and supportive players who have been supporting SCUM's Early Access development over the years by continuing to play it keeping the game's population active and the game popular.

At the very very least, should a full wipe happen I would expect for the Dev team to REWARD those long standing players who supported them during development with something to show for it. Hopefully something a little more useful then just a special "season 1" tattoo option.

Veteran Players having their skills/stats in 1.0 versus new players starting fresh of course gives the veteran players an advantage, but again I argue that we who have been playing the same characters since 0.6 have earned that advantage by playing and supporting the game.

I would also point out that I and others are under the assumption that during 1.0 the ability to gain stats/skills will be quicker and easier with the addition of items shown in various trailers for the game that are not yet in the game such as workout equipment.

But the main title of this thread is that the Devs need to give us an answer instead of stringing us along. If the answer is still that the team hasn't decided, might I suggest you release a VOTE to your player base or that the team sits down and makes their decision and lets the player base know it, for better or worse.

Your note going to please everyone, but surely giving us an answer and your reasons for it would be a better option then a surprise of

" Here is 1.0, your characters and work are all gone. Please don't review bomb us. "

While I will still likely end up playing even if I have to start a new character I am also really looking forward too and hoping this "Hidden" new method you guys are saving for 1.0 will take care of the worst issue for playing scum, THE CHEATERS.

[Cezar]

1. You should be prepared for a complete wipe that will erase all data.
2. Stop being afraid of the wipe. The most interesting time is the time right after the wipe.
3. The developers won't tell you exactly. Because they don't want some very sensitive players to stop playing now.
4. A complete wipe is necessary and it is logical. Everyone will start on equal terms.
If you don't know, I will tell you. Many skills could be pumped up not very honestly. And many people took advantage of this. Therefore, it is more logical to erase everything.

[spirit]

I have a few high leveled chars on different servers, with a lot of hours put into them.
I feel a full wipe is the only right thing to do.
There will likely be a influx of new players, and I feel it would be very unfair to have experienced players, with super strong chars running amok among the fresh meat.
If you have many 100's or 1000's hours you already have an enormous advantage, and the know-how to level alot quicker than a new player. There is no need to further unbalance the playing field by letting all of us veteran players start with super chars.

[marktkm]

Just assume there will be a full wipe and if there isn't you can be pleasantly surprised. As for them stopping their work to sit down and come to a decision for you, their decision may depend on something they don't know yet, like whether a feature they have planned works out or not.

[Kilt]

You can expect a FULL WIPE.

Not only because the game steps into 1.0 but also because if they don't wipe then the old content will most likely conflict with the amount of content that will probably be added in 1.0

[x8InViSible8X]

Full Wipe 100%

[daw593server]

Hi Kiethoo,

I think I am qualified to share an opinion on the issue of a possible wipe of attributes and skills:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/513710/discussions/0/603019495810845025/

The above represents a massive investment in time; however, I decided to complete the challenge with full knowledge that the results could be erased when 1.0 is released. The Early Access disclaimer clearly states that things can/will change, so I felt appropriately warned.

So, for me, it really does not matter to me if the Devs retain STR/CON/DEX/INT attributes or any of the skills. I was more interested in testing if it was possible and would happily go through the process again, this time focusing only on the attributes and skills that support my play style. Learning which does (and which does not) was very valuable.

With this said, I agree, it would be nice if the Devs announced what kind of wipe is needed for 1.0, especially for those that are still working on their attributes and skills today. My squad has generally stopped all "intentional" skill building until after the 1.0 release because they do not want to waste time; I am sure that others playing the game have the same concern as well.

Sarah

[WOLK]

Originally posted by Cezar:

4. A complete wipe is necessary and it is logical. Everyone will start on equal terms.
If you don't know, I will tell you. Many skills could be pumped up not very honestly. And many people took advantage of this. Therefore, it is more logical to erase everything.

I completely disagree with you. This is absolutely illogical and unfair to the players who supported this project for many years and spent a lot of time on it.
If at least improving skills and basic game parameters was not so long and dull, it would be somehow bearable, but the system of improving skills and basic parameters that is in the game now is a very long and tedious process.
I improved my skills and basic parameters honestly and it took me TWO YEARS!!!
AND I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN!!!
THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!
In addition, your imaginary "equality" between everyone is a myth and a common attempt at manipulation!!
There is no equality!!
An experienced player will ALWAYS have an advantage over a newbie in the game.
And the one who plays for DT will have it X2!)))
So stop hanging noodles on people's ears with these manipulations about "equality"))

[WOLK]

Originally posted by spirit:

I have a few high leveled chars on different servers, with a lot of hours put into them.
I feel a full wipe is the only right thing to do.
There will likely be a influx of new players, and I feel it would be very unfair to have experienced players, with super strong chars running amok among the fresh meat.
If you have many 100's or 1000's hours you already have an enormous advantage, and the know-how to level alot quicker than a new player. There is no need to further unbalance the playing field by letting all of us veteran players start with super chars.

You know,
I have a suggestion for people like you!)))
Create a list of all players who want a complete reset and let the developers give it ONLY to YOU!! If you want it, well... GET IT)))
And everyone who is against it, let them keep their characters.
Everyone should enjoy what they are talking about, right?))

[WOLK]

Originally posted by Kilt:

You can expect a FULL WIPE.

Not only because the game steps into 1.0 but also because if they don't wipe then the old content will most likely conflict with the amount of content that will probably be added in 1.0

How will new content conflict with old characters?!
What kind of nonsense are you talking?!
If that were the case, there would be a COMPLETE wipe every time something new was updated and added!)

[oynlengeymer]

there are still skills that are greyed out right? by 1.0 they'd need to wipe character if new skills are introduced. The grind is part of the game.

[oynlengeymer]

Originally posted by WOLK:

Originally posted by Kilt:

You can expect a FULL WIPE.

Not only because the game steps into 1.0 but also because if they don't wipe then the old content will most likely conflict with the amount of content that will probably be added in 1.0

How will new content conflict with old characters?!
What kind of nonsense are you talking?!
If that were the case, there would be a COMPLETE wipe every time something new was updated and added!)

Are you a developer? Make a set of skill stats that every action effects with gains or losses. Some are not active yet. Unless the core foundations are in place and it simply has been toggled to a true/false state, there will need to be a rework of the skill tree and how actions affect any new skills

[oynlengeymer]

Originally posted by WOLK:

Originally posted by Cezar:

4. A complete wipe is necessary and it is logical. Everyone will start on equal terms.
If you don't know, I will tell you. Many skills could be pumped up not very honestly. And many people took advantage of this. Therefore, it is more logical to erase everything.

I completely disagree with you. This is absolutely illogical and unfair to the players who supported this project for many years and spent a lot of time on it.
If at least improving skills and basic game parameters was not so long and dull, it would be somehow bearable, but the system of improving skills and basic parameters that is in the game now is a very long and tedious process.
I improved my skills and basic parameters honestly and it took me TWO YEARS!!!
AND I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN!!!
THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!
In addition, your imaginary "equality" between everyone is a myth and a common attempt at manipulation!!
There is no equality!!
An experienced player will ALWAYS have an advantage over a newbie in the game.
And the one who plays for DT will have it X2!)))
So stop hanging noodles on people's ears with these manipulations about "equality"))

Question, does a maxed out stats really give any advantage? like really? You can run further or hit harder but at the end of the day, most pvp deaths in this game come from whoever sees who first.

The stats barely matter (used to matter more) they are just a side effect of playing. One that does really is medical and healing with less rags. I can't think of any others that affect the game to a degree of advantage when as I say, its about whoever aquires a target first in pvp encounters.

What is funny to me is people sinking years into a early access game not able to read the loading screen and then crying when wipes happen.

[CrankyOldMan]

There is no significant difference between no skill and advanced that I can think of.
Differences yes but not overwhelming.

The biggest difference I believe is the knowledge of where things are to get.

I go here for guns.
I go here for attachments
I go here for TNT.
I go here for tool boxes.
I go here for red screwdrivers.
I go here for yellow screwdrivers.

One of the most common complaints are about no food, they don't realize most of it grows!

[WOLK]

Originally posted by oynlengeymer:

there are still skills that are greyed out right? by 1.0 they'd need to wipe character if new skills are introduced. The grind is part of the game.

You're talking nonsense!
When they removed skills like "Throwing" and added skills like "Cooking" and "Farming", the developers didn't have to delete characters!

[WOLK]

Originally posted by oynlengeymer:

Originally posted by WOLK:

How will new content conflict with old characters?!
What kind of nonsense are you talking?!
If that were the case, there would be a COMPLETE wipe every time something new was updated and added!)

Are you a developer? Make a set of skill stats that every action effects with gains or losses. Some are not active yet. Unless the core foundations are in place and it simply has been toggled to a true/false state, there will need to be a rework of the skill tree and how actions affect any new skills

I am not a developer, just like you, but unlike you, I am an attentive player with a good memory.
I repeat, the developers did not have to remove characters when introducing or removing new/old skills in the game.
Why would they do this on release?