Is there hope for the puppet spawn system ?

[Rocha_BR]

When I remember the time when we played on top of our bases, towers and other buildings and practiced shooting at puppets across the map, when I remember that we arrived in the city and there were already puppets in the place where we cleaned and it was calm, The puppets only returned after the player left the location and went to another area.

Honestly, this new system in which puppets spawn around us when we arrive at a location ruined the game.

Filling up your car at a gas station is now something I can't even explain. You arrive at the station, wait a few seconds to see if puppets will spawn, where players are often taken by surprise with puppets spawning on top.

We got choked up several times with bomb puppets at the Sentinel Factory where they were born close to us. I saw, yes I saw zombies fall from the SKY. I saw zombies being born in the form of TP.

Honestly, this ruined SCUM.

Keep the hordes, but go back to the old system for God's sake. We want to see zombies roaming around the map so we know where they are, we want to use up our rifle ammunition, I have a .50 Barret that I've never used, because I play on a PVE Server and the only targets I could practice shooting at no longer appear on the map.

[Rash]

You should not worry too much. I mean, They didn't drop any update since the "horde" one, so we can suppose they are working on it.
You can start to worry about it if they release updates and the situation stay the same as now.

[Pas (Ghost)]

play on a server where the horde is turned off.....they still spawn as u arrive as u mentioned but not too many, manageable if u have ammo.

[CrankyOldMan]

Keep the hordes, but go back to the old system for God's sake. We want to see zombies roaming around the map so we know where they are, we want to use up our rifle ammunition, I have a .50 Barret that I've never used, because I play on a PVE Server and the only targets I could practice shooting at no longer appear on the map.

AMEN!

[CrankyOldMan]

Originally posted by Pas (Ghost):

play on a server where the horde is turned off.....they still spawn as u arrive as u mentioned but not too many, manageable if u have ammo.

A player Should not have to do that and too many do not mention that in the name

[Deron BR]

The Horde was a brilliant idea, poorly executed.
Seeing zombies spawn out of nowhere like a Saiyan, there's nothing realistic about it.
I believe that the best solution would be to maintain the old spawn scheme and the horde spawn in specific locations and points, like inside buildings/houses, and in specific rooms (especially if the building is large).
In open areas (without any construction) only the old spawn.

[bek]

i'm a singleplayer and this issue really breaks the immersion. i haven't played for some years and came back to 0.95. the horde-system itself is really nice and a fantastic idea. however as you mentioned, the spawn-system (nothing to do with horde) is broken.

coming to a place and looking around to check for puppets. everything calm. then you come closer or enter a building and puppets spawning out of thin air; on the roofs; bugged in walls and floors;

this breaks the immersion for me. :(

i don't remember how it was before. but as you described that all puppets are already there. and clearing them, well makes the area calm. for this i'm really looking forward.

[Six]

Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:

Keep the hordes, but go back to the old system for God's sake. We want to see zombies roaming around the map so we know where they are, we want to use up our rifle ammunition, I have a .50 Barret that I've never used, because I play on a PVE Server and the only targets I could practice shooting at no longer appear on the map.

AMEN!

This x100

[CrankyOldMan]

Hey everybody the joke is on you..

Yes we just added the gun so many of you wanted the SCAR

But unless you pvp you'll never use it!

[Deathwhisper]

Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:

Hey everybody the joke is on you..

Yes we just added the gun so many of you wanted the SCAR

But unless you pvp you'll never use it!

Then maybe you just haven't recognized its benefits yet. I actually use the SCAR very actively in single player because it has proven to be very reliable so far, even in hip fire.
It is in second place of my "modern" scout weapons so far and I can get along easily in cities with the DMR, HS9 and knife.
First place is still the SVD because it can carry a bayonet.

Both weapons can use both a rifle scope and a reflex sight, making them very variable. The semi fire allows you to be economical with the ammunition, both of which can be easily found if you don't really manufacture your ammunition.

[CrankyOldMan]

Deathwhisper.

Kinda hard to use a scope on the gun when the puppet spawns 3 feet from you.....
it's melee, assault or a pistol or like you said bayonet on the rifle.

Very few times are puppets spawning needing the use of a sniper with scope when they are close enough to hit them with a rock!!!!!!!!!

You said single player is what you are playing ---other people near can spawn the horde on you in multiplayer....

Whole different world when at one moment you are in a town alone and the next second, 6 players in a squad role through beeping their horn creating spawns and horde spawns all over the place------try that with a scar, please do---I'll appreciate the free loot from your corpse....

Note: The official servers are not single player the horde system reacts different in mp than sp!

Same mechanic yes but the other players trigger it whereas in sp you don't have that!

[Rocha_BR]

Originally posted by Pas (Ghost):

play on a server where the horde is turned off.....they still spawn as u arrive as u mentioned but not too many, manageable if u have ammo.

The horde doesn't bother you so much, but rather the new system of puppets rising from the ground and falling from the sky when you arrive at the location.

And about the horde, a horde of zombies is a group of varying sizes of zombies that are roaming the world where you have the option to confront them or ignore them. A zombie screams and some zombies are born, it's not the Horde, it's a cry for help hahahahahahahahahaha.

[Itharus]

I like the idea of the old system better... but I never experienced it. I came into the game with this horde update. Finding the random sleeping puppets in buildings and stuff sounds a lot more immersive than them popping out of thin air in areas you've already looked, though. It's a shame there wasn't a better way to alter the server performance over this system. The game still seems fun, though. Hopefully they'll fine tune things and find a balance point that pleases most.

[Deathwhisper]

Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:

Deathwhisper.

Kinda hard to use a scope on the gun when the puppet spawns 3 feet from you.....
it's melee, assault or a pistol or like you said bayonet on the rifle.

Very few times are puppets spawning needing the use of a sniper with scope when they are close enough to hit them with a rock!!!!!!!!!

You said single player is what you are playing ---other people near can spawn the horde on you in multiplayer....

Whole different world when at one moment you are in a town alone and the next second, 6 players in a squad role through beeping their horn creating spawns and horde spawns all over the place------try that with a scar, please do---I'll appreciate the free loot from your corpse....

Note: The official servers are not single player the horde system reacts different in mp than sp!

Same mechanic yes but the other players trigger it whereas in sp you don't have that!

You can attach a Sight on the DMR Aswell, not only scope. I usually go along both. Scope and Sight to change on the go with quickslots and depending on the situation. So the DMR is not only Long range exclusive. Its like the SVD be able to adapt to many different situations, though the SVD is a bit more then DMR.

[insettoinfetto]

Some say give us back the old slow moving puppets inside a POI so we can shoot them down from distance using our guns.

Fine but this could NOT be active with the Horde System.
Even if devs could merge the two, and optimize them for performance, you'll not be happy.
Why?

Cause at the first shot a horde will spawn near you.
And I'm sure you'll not be happy.

So devs should decide if this is a game based on being silent or not.

I love being stealthy so my vote is for the actual system

[Rocha_BR]

Originally posted by insettoinfetto:

Some say give us back the old slow moving puppets inside a POI so we can shoot them down from distance using our guns.

Fine but this could NOT be active with the Horde System.
Even if devs could merge the two, and optimize them for performance, you'll not be happy.
Why?

Cause at the first shot a horde will spawn near you.
And I'm sure you'll not be happy.

So devs should decide if this is a game based on being silent or not.

I love being stealthy so my vote is for the actual system

Wrong... It's not the shot that calls the horde, I fire several shots across the map and nothing comes. The puppers are the ones who trigger the horde when they feel your presence, they need to see you to scream and call for the horde, they can do that. If that's the case, it didn't work, they can go back and forget about the horde project, even temporarily suspend it and return to the old system, what's the problem? They removed all the vehicles from the game for so long and the hordes would it be a problem for them to give up on the project or suspend it? Through Scrip/Programming it is possible for them to return to the old system and maintain the horde if they want.