What is the point?

[Pizzashot]

I wonder what the point of this game is when you as a beginner run around with a spear while trying to loot garbage and then some dude comes by with a machinegun and kills you in 0.1 seconds. You die super quick in this game and these sneaky pvp players sit behind something in 3rd person and just wait, almost nobody use the microphone to interact either so it is super boring interactions when you just die.

And no, I will not go and play PvE.

[Endoniic]

You're aware people see you first when they have a real line of sight on you. Third person hiding does not work in scum(very rare, depending on the angle hardly), it's one of the key mechanics of the game. And a side note : if you have the starting clothes(inmate), then it makes you very easy to spot

[dustbiter]

SCUM is kind of like Dayz, with kill on sight encouraged by various factors. I mean the game also rewards you with points for claiming the kill on another player, besides their gear. Until the devs come up with incentives for player to cooperate SCUM encounters are mostly KOS.

I think Dayz has moved from quick kills, players take more knockout damage and more hits before dying which while less realistic makes for more engaging fights.

[CrankyOldMan]

A player in his orange clothes might be worth a decent amount of fame points. He might just have on him the bullets or gun or even the shoes I need to continue playing my game! If you are playing on an official then it is much easier to get gear from players than it is to scrounge for hours and get nothing!

[FuBar]

Originally posted by Pizzashot:

And no, I will not go and play PvE.

well then put up with it, or leave

[Your Neighbour]

Originally posted by Pizzashot:

I wonder what the point of this game is when you as a beginner run around with a spear while trying to loot garbage and then some dude comes by with a machinegun and kills you in 0.1 seconds. You die super quick in this game and these sneaky pvp players sit behind something in 3rd person and just wait, almost nobody use the microphone to interact either so it is super boring interactions when you just die.

And no, I will not go and play PvE.

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Also the pay off to not shoot you is not very high, your bag might be full of thousands of dollars of loot, it pays to just shoot you. Also if the other guy doesn't talk to you, get ready to shoot him or run away, you don't always win in this game but remember the other guy started with a stick at some stage too.

Anyway, my advice is

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[serilium]

what server does he play on, 2000+ hours in game and this has never happened to me, i won`t say it never will but the servers i play on this has yet to happen to me, play on a different server.

[MeanStreak]

Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:

A player in his orange clothes might be worth a decent amount of fame points. He might just have on him the bullets or gun or even the shoes I need to continue playing my game! If you are playing on an official then it is much easier to get gear from players than it is to scrounge for hours and get nothing!

Not only fame points. Also a BCU and don't forget skin and delicious meat to cut steaks of. Food for the hungry survivor ;)

[vanflyhightanzek]

Play on single to learn the game and don't play on official

[marktkm]

When your fresh, whether new to the game or just recently killed and you've respawned, you need to stay hidden. It's a slow paced survival and you're not going to be able to just wander out and hunt down a new kit quickly.

Stay in the woods as you travel. Open fields are your worst enemy. Watch the town you want to enter for a few minutes to see if anyone moves about. Gas stations and convenience stores are good sources for basic weapons. Towns with police stations have an increased chance of finding a weapon.

As for the geared character killing you quickly, even being equally geared it would likely turn out the same. They've modeled the weapon damage realistically, so it only takes 1 or 2 shots to kill. Most of the time it comes down to who saw who first.

As for the 3rd person peeking, they've got a system in place where you won't see players in 3rd person that you wouldn't see in 1st person. It's not perfect, and it only affects seeing other players, but it's explained in the first section of this video. Keep in mind some of the features in this have been set aside, like the ability to see the red outlines once they're out of sight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_W8S03qWqc

[Famous]

there is 3rd person advantage out of and over bushes, it has gotten me killed, i have used it to kill many.

it needs to go away

[Famous]

...or some official first person only servers should be added

[insettoinfetto]

Originally posted by Pizzashot:

I wonder what the point of this game is when you as a beginner run around with a spear while trying to loot garbage and then some dude comes by with a machinegun and kills you in 0.1 seconds. You die super quick in this game and these sneaky pvp players sit behind something in 3rd person and just wait, almost nobody use the microphone to interact either so it is super boring interactions when you just die.

And no, I will not go and play PvE.

Ok I read your post. So you can't survive in a survival game. And so?

Learn it on SP, when you reach around 200-400 hours, move to online.
Until the rework of the PvE part (NPC) is not finished it's quite easy to play in SP.

Play where you like, but remember that dying is part of the game and it is a KOS game.

[CheeseKing]

Originally posted by Pizzashot:

I wonder what the point of this game is when you as a beginner run around with a spear while trying to loot garbage and then some dude comes by with a machinegun and kills you in 0.1 seconds. You die super quick in this game and these sneaky pvp players sit behind something in 3rd person and just wait, almost nobody use the microphone to interact either so it is super boring interactions when you just die.

And no, I will not go and play PvE.

Well, it is entirely up to you on what server you decide to play on. Since you picked a PVP multiplayer server, things like this will happen. People have more loot as they are playing longer or they have larger squads so they gather more loot.

Also the 3rd person peeking does not work in this game, so if you are in 3rd person and you are looking behind a wall you will not see the person running towards you before he gets in your line of sight (physical line of sight).

[Famous]

Originally posted by CheeseKing:

Originally posted by Pizzashot:

I wonder what the point of this game is when you as a beginner run around with a spear while trying to loot garbage and then some dude comes by with a machinegun and kills you in 0.1 seconds. You die super quick in this game and these sneaky pvp players sit behind something in 3rd person and just wait, almost nobody use the microphone to interact either so it is super boring interactions when you just die.

And no, I will not go and play PvE.

Well, it is entirely up to you on what server you decide to play on. Since you picked a PVP multiplayer server, things like this will happen. People have more loot as they are playing longer or they have larger squads so they gather more loot.

Also the 3rd person peeking does not work in this game, so if you are in 3rd person and you are looking behind a wall you will not see the person running towards you before he gets in your line of sight (physical line of sight).

This is not true, it may work most of the time when it comes to buildings, but you can use 3rd person peak over the top of bushes and from inside them.

its terrible

[Rigamortus]

Originally posted by marktkm:

When your fresh, whether new to the game or just recently killed and you've respawned, you need to stay hidden. It's a slow paced survival and you're not going to be able to just wander out and hunt down a new kit quickly.

Stay in the woods as you travel. Open fields are your worst enemy. Watch the town you want to enter for a few minutes to see if anyone moves about. Gas stations and convenience stores are good sources for basic weapons. Towns with police stations have an increased chance of finding a weapon.

As for the geared character killing you quickly, even being equally geared it would likely turn out the same. They've modeled the weapon damage realistically, so it only takes 1 or 2 shots to kill. Most of the time it comes down to who saw who first.

As for the 3rd person peeking, they've got a system in place where you won't see players in 3rd person that you wouldn't see in 1st person. It's not perfect, and it only affects seeing other players, but it's explained in the first section of this video. Keep in mind some of the features in this have been set aside, like the ability to see the red outlines once they're out of sight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_W8S03qWqc

I'm not saying it's the developers fault this game has zero popular 1 person servers out there but if people just stopped referring to this 3 person system as a holy grail of fairness maybe just maybe the average player would actually give 1 person only servers a chance. Not seeing the character model is irrelevant many times, seeing where the triggered mech is shooting, seeing where the zombies are going, seeing a door magically open, like there's so many ways to gather information someone wouldn't have without exposing themselves in first person that in the end it's still a big advantage to use 3pp. Oh forgot to mention it is also much easier to spot something that just suddenly pops up in your screen rather than just being there the whole time, someone might have the best camouflage in the world and still get spotted immediately because of it