Raid protection system

[insettoinfetto]

What?! Devs, change of plan?
Interesting...

[Arcticus_X]

Originally posted by insettoinfetto:

Originally posted by Ice68:

+1000

I don't think so. Cheaters will find a workaround on that restriction. It's the definition of a cheat.

Have a look at Arma 3 Exile and how they do it.
No offline base raiding on my Arma 3 Exile server, I will ban you so quickly your head will spin.(Global ban)
Offline base raiding is cheating because the owner is not available to defend his property.

[Sr. Morajsakom]

It has to be created in a way its not exploitable in favor of either the raider or raided. Cant log off your peeps to force protection in middle of a raid for example.

Squad playing together kind of have to be from the same timezone for offline raid protection, so no more multinational gang ups so throw out those few european people from your squad, they gonna waste your base.

[CrankyOldMan]

Originally posted by Sr. Morajsakom:

It has to be created in a way its not exploitable in favor of either the raider or raided. Cant log off your peeps to force protection in middle of a raid for example.

Good point!

But even that then could be griefed. All they need to do is keep starting the raid and the owner/squa members could never log off.

So there will need to be a timer.

[CrankyOldMan]

Originally posted by Ice68:

Originally posted by insettoinfetto:

I don't think so. Cheaters will find a workaround on that restriction. It's the definition of a cheat.

Have a look at Arma 3 Exile and how they do it.
No offline base raiding on my Arma 3 Exile server, I will ban you so quickly your head will spin.(Global ban)
Offline base raiding is cheating because the owner is not available to defend his property.

On one of our servers that is pvp we turned off base raiding and ptp lock picking so bases and rides are safe.

Because of the off line raiding issues.

Just trying something different.

[Sr. Morajsakom]

Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:

Originally posted by Sr. Morajsakom:

It has to be created in a way its not exploitable in favor of either the raider or raided. Cant log off your peeps to force protection in middle of a raid for example.

Good point!

But even that then could be griefed. All they need to do is keep starting the raid and the owner/squa members could never log off.

So there will need to be a timer.

Just think about how joining and leaving squad has to be made to work without exploits.

[insettoinfetto]

Originally posted by Ice68:

Originally posted by insettoinfetto:

I don't think so. Cheaters will find a workaround on that restriction. It's the definition of a cheat.

Have a look at Arma 3 Exile and how they do it.
No offline base raiding on my Arma 3 Exile server, I will ban you so quickly your head will spin.(Global ban)
Offline base raiding is cheating because the owner is not available to defend his property.

You did not follow me.

Let's see I'm a cheater.
I teleport all the stuff from your base to a specific location where I decide what to use and drop the rest. I did that at the same sec you get online.
How can you find me? In the same way you will find another cheater. By looking at logs, etc.
You can't find me because I offline-raid your base! As I did not.

[Sr. Morajsakom]

Offline raid protection = have an alt in your squad->every other members leave the squad and create a new squad->alt stays and is kept offline for how ever long until your squad has a reason or wants to return to the base(for example have gathered all the mats to upgrade the base to max asap)->infinite protection of sorts.

[Arcticus_X]

Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:

Originally posted by Ice68:

Have a look at Arma 3 Exile and how they do it.
No offline base raiding on my Arma 3 Exile server, I will ban you so quickly your head will spin.(Global ban)
Offline base raiding is cheating because the owner is not available to defend his property.

On one of our servers that is pvp we turned off base raiding and ptp lock picking so bases and rides are safe.

Because of the off line raiding issues.

Just trying something different.

yes that is possible with Arma 3,that's why I said so many times in the past that the developers should add more options for server owners or open up the game for scripting or modding.

[Arcticus_X]

Originally posted by insettoinfetto:

Originally posted by Ice68:

Have a look at Arma 3 Exile and how they do it.
No offline base raiding on my Arma 3 Exile server, I will ban you so quickly your head will spin.(Global ban)
Offline base raiding is cheating because the owner is not available to defend his property.

You did not follow me.

Let's see I'm a cheater.
I teleport all the stuff from your base to a specific location where I decide what to use and drop the rest. I did that at the same sec you get online.
How can you find me? In the same way you will find another cheater. By looking at logs, etc.
You can't find me because I offline-raid your base! As I did not.

That is where you are wrong,with Arma 3 admin tools I could see in the logs or database what your character did while on the server,even what weapon you have or whats in you back pack,all your info is available,steam id 64,user name,you will get banned even if you are offline.Nobody accept admins can teleport,instant ban if you try that even if no admin on the server. That is what I call decent protection for players and tools for admins.

[HazPataz TTV]

Originally posted by PepsiMontana:

So i cant be able to raid bases if the owner is offline? Uninstall

there PVE servers for that kind of problem

On contrary, I will come back to SCUM if a meaningful base protection is implemented

[insettoinfetto]

Originally posted by Sr. Morajsakom:

Offline raid protection = have an alt in your squad->every other members leave the squad and create a new squad->alt stays and is kept offline for how ever long until your squad has a reason or wants to return to the base(for example have gathered all the mats to upgrade the base to max asap)->infinite protection of sorts.

yeah I thought the same but hard to get inside with mines and spike traps....

maybe something like :
squad will keep the base nearly empty and store the good items inside a chest near the base of an alt. Alt login, recover the chest, place inside the base. log off.

or

a squad of friends is split into 2 groups (2 squads); when a squad goes online and try to raid one of the two, the other group can go to raid the attacker, finding a defenseless base

[insettoinfetto]

Originally posted by Skills Or Tears:

Originally posted by PepsiMontana:

So i cant be able to raid bases if the owner is offline? Uninstall

there PVE servers for that kind of problem

On contrary, I will come back to SCUM if a meaningful base protection is implemented

It's not that protection is missing.
It is dev's idea of making bases as not safe, and so raidable.

For this I opened this post. Could it be a change of ideas?

[PepsiMontana]

its perfect as it is.

[Deathwhisper]

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[Sweets]

could just do like conan and have raid windows