Another Thread About Puppet Spawns...

[Solemnwind]

So i really see a lot of both sides here with the changes to puppet spawns... one side saying that it breaks immersion, is unrealistic for puppets to magically appear around you, and that they respawn WAY too fast... then there's the other side... "git gud"... My friends and I play on a private server as we don't care for PvP at all and just want to enjoy the PvE aspects of the game and the incredible survival system.. HOWEVER. The horde update has kinda ruined small servers or singleplayer in the sense that now all zombies respawn only around you, so it doesn't matter if you cleared 50% of a POI, they will have respawned before you can even leave or go back to loot..plus guns are now completely irrelevant in PvE because the slightest use of one causes so many puppets to spawn over and over out of thin air, and auto aggro to you... plus the insane amount of suicide puppets that are in POI's now makes it just feel kinda unplayable for singleplayer or small servers in the terms of guns not really being usable, puppets respawning within a couple minutes of being killed, hordes spawning cheating puppets with radar, and so many suicide puppets that appear out of the floor as you walk into a room. I seriously hope there is a HUGE patch coming or atleast maybe some more settings for us to edit for our own servers to fix the issues i mentioned.. because at this point i'm not even excited when i see a new gun, just think "oh well, can't use it or ill get swarmed" and i don't other with POI's that would have good loot because why bother right? All i'm going to get is bigger, louder guns to get swarmed even more frequently lmao.

[CrankyOldMan]

Welcome to the new enhanced visually Diablo 3, where the necromancer summons puppets up through the ground so that they can attack you!

[Mars Mullo]

Paragraphs please?

Yay another wall of text...

Didn't read it..
its probably a negative rant.

[Solemnwind]

Originally posted by Mars Mullo:

Paragraphs please?

Yay another wall of text...

Didn't read it..
its probably a negative rant.

Then don't comment. If you're not going to discuss then don't be a troll.

[CrankyOldMan]

The game needed more pve content but not what we got.

I would like to see puppets walking around in a town that I can snipe.

I would like to see the buildings have puppets in them that I can shoot through the windows.

Not rise up out of the ground like a necromancer spawn them or suddenly appear infront of me as it they teleported in!

[Solemnwind]

Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:

The game needed more pve content but not what we got.

I would like to see puppets walking around in a town that I can snipe.

I would like to see the buildings have puppets in them that I can shoot through the windows.

Not rise up out of the ground like a necromancer spawn them or suddenly appear infront of me as it they teleported in!

Fully agree! The old puppet spawning system pre v.95 was great in my opinion. This one kills all immersion and turns it into strictly a sneak and loot game, which (to me) is so boring. I feel the horde stuff really would've been better as wandering packs of puppets. That way if you have great guns, it would be a fun challenge to mow them down, or if you're relatively fresh, hide your ass off and hope it passes you lol.

[currently_just-a-Dude]

It's indeed really challenging if you play a new character and need to fight a horde with a improvised bow and a stonespear. Even more if you are new to this game. After the last wipe I've seen many players got smashed from the hordes because of their low tier gear. But I really Like the horde system itself. The implementation could be better and I miss the sleeping puppets. They really shouldnt spawn on you.
Right now I'm using guns only with a silencer. Of course they will hear the shots but only in a small area and those u can handle with those guns.
The spawning mid-air is definitely annoying but no game killer. The peepers who spawn in front or on top of you are not so nice.

[thomas_1611]

Players should never see character spawning, it's immersion breaking in the extreme.

[Solemnwind]

Originally posted by thomas_1611:

Players should never see character spawning, it's immersion breaking in the extreme.

100% agree

[Solemnwind]

Originally posted by Musculus_sternocleidomastoideus:

It's indeed really challenging if you play a new character and need to fight a horde with a improvised bow and a stonespear. Even more if you are new to this game. After the last wipe I've seen many players got smashed from the hordes because of their low tier gear. But I really Like the horde system itself. The implementation could be better and I miss the sleeping puppets. They really shouldnt spawn on you.
Right now I'm using guns only with a silencer. Of course they will hear the shots but only in a small area and those u can handle with those guns.
The spawning mid-air is definitely annoying but no game killer. The peepers who spawn in front or on top of you are not so nice.

Unfortunately one of my friends first time playing was just after the v.95 update and he is refusing to play the game after these experiences like I mentioned, unless I can assure him it's fixed. Because Unfortunately I described how puppets worked before he bought it, then the update dropped, we got a server and now he hates the game lol, doing my best to talk him out of refunding, because it's truly a great game, just in a broken state..

[strangerfi]

I wouldn't say it ruined it, and it's still the best survival game to me atm, but I can understand your frustration. I was in a bunker and just died from an exploding zombie that spawned behind me, and I went back to my body but only my guns and arrows were left. I'm still gonna keep playing it.

[sQ]

Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:

Welcome to the new enhanced visually Diablo 3, where the necromancer summons puppets up through the ground so that they can attack you!

More like diablo 4 .... going down ... fast.

[PabloSpacebar]

Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:

The game needed more pve content but not what we got.

I would like to see puppets walking around in a town that I can snipe.

I would like to see the buildings have puppets in them that I can shoot through the windows.

Not rise up out of the ground like a necromancer spawn them or suddenly appear infront of me as it they teleported in!

This is something i miss being in game.
Feels very linear now. Game wants me to sneak around and use bow with very little other options, only variations of this.

[chris_goodj]

Originally posted by thomas_1611:

Players should never see character spawning, it's immersion breaking in the extreme.

or disappear (vanish in thin air) if you go two steps back only to come back immediatly if you go forward again.

This is especially true with cargo drops : I usually go silent with the bow and eleminate them all (after they magically appear in front of my eyes) before looting the drop .

Now today I had a shotgun and decided to have some fun so after they asked "Scotty" to beam them down in front of me I started shooting and of course ended up with with a gigantic amount of them chasing me :
guess what happened when "strategically retreating", backpedalling while killing some ... they suddenly all vanished as they were running towards me only leaving their dead comrades corpses.

I came back closer to the drop only to see the remaining ones rematerialize in front of my eyes again.

Try it for yourself.

Great immersion indeed !

(sorry for my english, not too sure of some words)

[xKiCkx]

The horde spawning system will see adjustments according to the received feedback. Thank you everyone for provided feedback.

[Solemnwind]

Originally posted by xKiCkx:

The horde spawning system will see adjustments according to the received feedback. Thank you everyone for provided feedback.

Thank you so much. It seems we all love your game here and want to see it succeed. In it's current state, the puppet spawning change is the only issue. (In my opinion) Thank you for reading!