SCUM
Pooroldman Jan 10, 2024 @ 11:30am
Regarding server profitability, how do you view it?
I own several servers, and as we all know, we can only rent them at present. However, I don't believe I should provide services for free and bear these costs. I'm aware that in many places, profits are made by selling weapons or other items, which I think is unfair.

But the cost of server rental is real. I'd like to ask everyone, do you have any methods to subsidize the rent without affecting the game balance?
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CrankyOldMan Jan 10, 2024 @ 1:20pm 
It's called donations...Players can donate to the operation of the servers cost but they cannot receive anything in return...

No play to win is allowed!
PainGravy Jan 10, 2024 @ 1:59pm 
Pay 2 reserve. Although I imagine you would need a pretty popping server for that to actually work.
CrankyOldMan Jan 10, 2024 @ 2:01pm 
Originally posted by PainGravy:
Pay 2 reserve. Although I imagine you would need a pretty popping server for that to actually work.

There is no way to reserve slots that I know of.
fatesdeath Jan 10, 2024 @ 2:40pm 
Originally posted by PainGravy:
Pay 2 reserve. Although I imagine you would need a pretty popping server for that to actually work.
although we cant have vip slots
if we could
thats still a form of paying to have an advantage

your advantage is to have a slot to log on at any time
if the server was full and you had a vip slot then you could log on faster than someone without vip paid slot
because when you are being raided thats an advantage to be able to log on before anyone

little things like colored names
and things that dont effect game play i dont mind though
so you can still show off your a supporter of that server
fishing ranger Jan 10, 2024 @ 2:59pm 
Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:
Originally posted by PainGravy:
Pay 2 reserve. Although I imagine you would need a pretty popping server for that to actually work.

There is no way to reserve slots that I know of.

There is whitelisting, not sure how its done but 2 servers i play on added it, and if a whitelisted player (someone who donates) logs into a full server someone how doesn't donate gets kicked.
it can help a server thats consistently full get donation towards running cost of server
fatesdeath Jan 10, 2024 @ 3:06pm 
Originally posted by fishing ranger:
Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:

There is no way to reserve slots that I know of.

There is whitelisting, not sure how its done but 2 servers i play on added it, and if a whitelisted player (someone who donates) logs into a full server someone how doesn't donate gets kicked.
it can help a server thats consistently full get donation towards running cost of server
thats not a vip/reserve slot though
thats saying your good to be on server
its like a list at a bar
whiteslists just say you can be here
opposite of black list where you are not allowed and by what you said they still have to kick people

vip/reserve slot on the other hand you would be able to log on no matter if the server was full your "vip" would be choosen over the non vip to join first

sounds like a P2W server though.... kicking because you didint donate lmfao
is the same as "pay to stay on server"
Last edited by fatesdeath; Jan 10, 2024 @ 3:07pm
Strayed Jan 10, 2024 @ 3:09pm 
In relation to private servers:
If you whitelist your server, as in setting up that only certain steam ID's can access or having a reserved list, it turns the server into a 'locked down' server and thus no one can join unless they are on the whitelist

At least that seems to be the case for G-Portal... its also handy because if someone is hacking you can literally add all the players steam ID's who are fair players and not add the cheater and they'll never be able to join again; however, whitelisting means that no one can join unless they're on that 'allowed' list... so its sort of a double edged sword.... good for security (because no need to remember a password) but also bad for generating a player base because unvetted players can't join

Official servers:
I'm not too sure how the devs would keep funds going for the official servers... I suggest that there's like a certain kick back from the server farm/host for each private server being hosted ?

I know that steam is quite.. slow.. in giving funds to developers in relation to game sales
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/finance/payments_salesreporting
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/marketing
Strayed Jan 10, 2024 @ 3:09pm 
Originally posted by fatesdeath:
Originally posted by fishing ranger:

There is whitelisting, not sure how its done but 2 servers i play on added it, and if a whitelisted player (someone who donates) logs into a full server someone how doesn't donate gets kicked.
it can help a server thats consistently full get donation towards running cost of server
thats not a vip/reserve slot though
thats saying your good to be on server
its like a list at a bar
whiteslists just say you can be here
opposite of black list where you are not allowed and by what you said they still have to kick people

vip/reserve slot on the other hand you would be able to log on no matter if the server was full your "vip" would be choosen over the non vip to join first

sounds like a P2W server though.... kicking because you didint donate lmfao
is the same as "pay to stay on server"

This

Agreed
Deathwhisper Jan 10, 2024 @ 4:22pm 
Originally posted by hankaicn3:
I own several servers, and as we all know, we can only rent them at present. However, I don't believe I should provide services for free and bear these costs. I'm aware that in many places, profits are made by selling weapons or other items, which I think is unfair.

But the cost of server rental is real. I'd like to ask everyone, do you have any methods to subsidize the rent without affecting the game balance?

Hello,

Please consult the EULA under all circumstances and what is permitted here in this sense. “Costs” are purely voluntary in nature because you decide to rent one or more servers yourself.

The EULA explicitly states what is permitted overall and what can even lead to exclusion or loss of use of the license. Please note that when you purchase a game (this applies to most games/software) you are purchasing a license to use the software under certain conditions (the EULA).

Once you have purchased a license, you are authorized to use the software. However, you are not authorized to generate money using the license (unless otherwise stated). In short, this means that as soon as you earn money as income (not as a donation) by offering game-related content, you are earning money with a license that may not allow this at all.

It is therefore important to familiarize yourself with the EULA, especially as a server owner, in order to know what is allowed and what is not.
Pooroldman Jan 11, 2024 @ 12:48am 
[/quote]

Hello,

Please consult the EULA under all circumstances and what is permitted here in this sense. “Costs” are purely voluntary in nature because you decide to rent one or more servers yourself.

The EULA explicitly states what is permitted overall and what can even lead to exclusion or loss of use of the license. Please note that when you purchase a game (this applies to most games/software) you are purchasing a license to use the software under certain conditions (the EULA).

Once you have purchased a license, you are authorized to use the software. However, you are not authorized to generate money using the license (unless otherwise stated). In short, this means that as soon as you earn money as income (not as a donation) by offering game-related content, you are earning money with a license that may not allow this at all.

It is therefore important to familiarize yourself with the EULA, especially as a server owner, in order to know what is allowed and what is not. [/quote]
No, I'm not using this to make money.
I hope to cover the rental costs through donations without disrupting the game's balance. In reality, I have an income; I just enjoy playing. Since 2018, I have managed several chat groups with hundreds of members and even helped Steam sell no less than 300 copies of "SCUM or its DLCs". However, during this process, some players are willing to "donate" to receive some unfair advantages, such as permanent rooms or cars.

I don't like this approach. I just want everyone to "split the bill" for these servers, so we can all play together without having to bear the cost alone, that's all.
Deathwhisper Jan 11, 2024 @ 6:18am 
Originally posted by hankaicn3:
I don't like this approach. I just want everyone to "split the bill" for these servers, so we can all play together without having to bear the cost alone, that's all.

If you just split the costs, that's no problem. Put together the server you want and play on it. There's nothing wrong with that. I did this with a friend and I also know a group that shares the costs.

What is not possible, however, is offering items/skills/game functions for real money. That's why the advice is to read the EULA for what is really possible and permitted. So by no means meant negatively.
Last edited by Deathwhisper; Jan 11, 2024 @ 6:18am
CrankyOldMan Jan 11, 2024 @ 7:20am 
"I don't like this approach. I just want everyone to "split the bill" for these servers, so we can all play together without having to bear the cost alone, that's all."

Then you ask them nicely and maybe some will....

Anything else charging to play or things like give me $20 and I spawn you a kitted out m82 or that brand new Rager won't fly.

If one play reports that and has proof then your server gets banned---maybe all your servers get banned along with your account!

No real money transfers are allowed for anything!

For example.
Our gaming community was built on donations players coming in and saying hey how about a arma server the owner said ok no problem but can you foot the cost.
Conan same way. Dayz same way. etc etc

We have multiple servers running for multiple games but the community is paying for their operations.

Anything that might be left over goes into a pool to be used for other things like a THE FRONT server that we tried...
Last edited by CrankyOldMan; Jan 11, 2024 @ 7:28am
Xuldrin Jan 11, 2024 @ 8:38am 
I played on a server that offered a monthly subscription that gave perks based on how much you paid. For example 20 bucks got you a kit per day. The way they did this was through a bot. Each day you would collect coins by doing /daily, which gave you the ability to purchase said kit. Higher you paid the better and better the kits were, and if you didn't use the kit per day you could save up. Perks like this ruined the server because there was no need to really farm. Just log in idle/get coins and purchase stuff. The ranks gave the user more coins per hour, and more coins per day. Someone reported them eventually and through that they had to change.

Like the previous people said if you gain any monetary value for anything in game you won't be getting it for long.

Things that I've noticed that are okay are "Whitelisting" which is the exact same thing as VIP status. Whitelisting guarantees you a spot on the server no matter how full it is. You log in and someone else is disconnected.

On alot of the Asians servers you can pay for rebuilds on your base. You build your base and take pictures and the admin will come and god mode the base back to the way it was when the pictures happened. Brick, Cement and all.

Taxi services where a hidden channel allows you the ability to teleport around the map through the bot.

There is a few servers out there that have hidden channels on discord and when you earn the right to see those channels they will let you purchase extras. Like for instance car insurance, Kit insurance, I have even seen Raid insurance. If you lose your car you get it back, if you lose your kit you get it back. If you get raided they will replace what you insured.

Bunker admin runs. You pay for a bunker run. The admin opens all the doors and locks and lets you take what you want in the bunker. Since you aren't paying for the loot you are paying for the run i think thats how they get away with it.

I've even seen where the admins are 'hired mercs' and when you need a lockpicker (or them to just admin lockpick) or just extra people for a raid you can pay for that service as well.

On one server you can literally pay to have a skill raised. They temporarily turn on skill gains in the safe zone, then spawn you gear to raise the skill. Such as sniping, rifling, handguns, and such.

These all occur within the top 25 populated servers (not all of them). The way these servers get by them is they only allow select people into the discord channel to see the purchase plans. This way they can ensure the players who will tattletale aren't able to see it and if someone logs in that is an admin they won't see the purchase plans. Its a despicable way of doing things but I hope they get caught soon.
CrankyOldMan Jan 11, 2024 @ 8:50am 
Bot servers...you earn coins for time spent on them to buy in game items is allowed-heck they might be more than 25% of the scum servers atm...

If you are paying real money for those things then I believe it is against the eula...I am not a mod or a dev but I would as a player stay far away from those servers...(real money)

I would not want 1 for all my time on that server go poof when it gets banned.
2. Possibly get banned in the process for being part of it!.

Are there cheaters in the game yes-they get banned when caught.

Are their play to win servers yes-they get shut down when caught.
Rex Jan 13, 2024 @ 6:32pm 
if you cant afford it dont be a server owner
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