Recovery from bear

[DoktorFar]

I was subjected to a sneaky assassination attack yesterday, enacted by one of those pesky bear assassins. I survived but unfurtunately for me though I had become the proud owner of three terrible bear wounds: C3 to the head, and two C2's, to the upper left arm and the abdomen. My health was at 7% and I had to use dirty bandages to stop the bleedings. As I limped (due to pain) slowly towards the nearest settlement for help, or garlics, I was afraid I would not make it. My wounds were infected with germs growing in numbers. How would I ever find garlic with this slow speed and such low health and growing germs in such horrible wounds. But after a little while my health started increasing, after reaching 29% hp I looked at my wounds and they had recovered some, and some of them had reduced in severity from C3 to C2 and C2 to C1.

I noticed also that the germ growth seemed to beginning to stagnate even though the interface showed that the germs were still becoming more numerous. This puzzles me: how can the increase in germ growth fall if the germ population is still increasing? I would expect the opposite to happen: more germs leading to even more germ reproduction, but despite the increased number germs the growth became slower and slower. The only possible explanations could be one or both of two: my immune system was getting better and/or the germs were becoming worse at reproducing. Is that possible? Does HP% affect the immune system somehow? Because I had been recovering HP from 7% to 29% and it kept increasing still. Eventually the total germ population started to decrease and the wound texts for that turned green.

Im curious how the above can be explained. Is it working as intended? I think that if this had happened before the update I would have died, at least that is how I recall what would happen previously with such wounds. But it's difficult to make a comparison that isn't prone to inaccuracy due to so many variables that could be different. I have Medical to Advanced, so Im assuming also that this has an effect on Recovery of wounds? Does Medical Advanced also affect the amount of germs getting into the wound when bandaging with dirty rags or wearing dirty clothes? Does Medical Advanced also cause some increased immune system boost or obstruction of germ growth?

I also tried to remove clothes which had dirtiness on it, but afaict from the interface it didn't seem to make a difference on the germ growth. The increase in germs seemed to decrease with time, whether I wore all of my clothes or nothing at all.

I recorded a video of this from the point where I had 29% HP, Im sorry I did not start to record earlier, but it didn't occur to me before this point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FaYX84sMzE

[Mars Mullo]

Your clothes are hardly damaged. You were lucky there. A puppet would have done more damage.
Your immune system is at 100% even tough your health is at about half... that is lucky and why the infection rate is diminishing (green stat colours not red)

Otherwise i would say you have done everything right to try and keep yourself alive and infection free.

And i would agree... I would expect you to be dead too.
But there is defiantly something off with the lack of clothing damage?
Are you playing vanilla server?

[DoktorFar]

Originally posted by Johnny2000:

You can get a lot of info by hovering over with the mouse to see what is going on.
Removing clothes from areas that have been bandaged with dirty rags are useless. Remove clothes AND dirty rags for it to have an effect. Don't remove dirty rags bandages from C2 and above unless you have something to replace them with.

But I did hover my mouse over them? I show this in the video and I did remove the dirty clothes as is also shown. The germ growth didn't change. If you didnt watch the whole video yet could you do that and see what I mean by this?

I didn't remove the bandages and also there were C2 wounds. But are you saying I could have removed bandages from the wounds when they had recovered into C1 and that would have resulted in less germ growth?

[DoktorFar]

Originally posted by Mars Mullo:

Your clothes are hardly damaged. You were lucky there. A puppet would have done more damage.
Your immune system is at 100% even tough your health is at about half... that is lucky and why the infection rate is diminishing (green stat colours not red)

Otherwise i would say you have done everything right to try and keep yourself alive and infection free.

And i would agree... I would expect you to be dead too.
But there is defiantly something off with the lack of clothing damage?
Are you playing vanilla server?

My health was down to 7% in the beginning as mentioned, but it gradually increased after I had bandaged the C3 and C2 wounds (with the dirty rags). Im playing on Official Europe server, so yes it is vanilla.

So the HP% DOES affect how much immune boost I get? Once again I have Advanced Medical so my recovery of wounds should happen faster, question is how much effect it had here; and also how much Advanced Medical then affects HP% regen? Because if HP% regen gets a significant boost from Advanced Medical and immune system gets a significant positive effect from higher HP% percentage then indirectly the increased HP% regen from Medical leads to more quickly regaining the immune system.

Also what about the germ growth being unaffected by removing the clothes? In the video I take all items off and on and each time I hover mouse over the wounds and in both cases the germ growth is slowly decreasing at the same speed. Maybe it is because the wounds are all bandaged with the dirty rags and that means any dirty clothing worn has no effect? I thought dirty clothing would ALWAYS mean more germ growth from "External pathogens" even if you also had dirty bandages on the wounds?

And yes I was surprised by the lack of clothing damage as well, it was almost unaffected. Also that leather backpack was already in the 60's of durability when I found it so that wasn't due to being hit.

[CrankyOldMan]

As your con increases your ability to not get infections or to cure a infection becomes quicker

[DoktorFar]

Originally posted by CrankyOldMan:

As your con increases your ability to not get infections or to cure a infection becomes quicker

Yes but my Con is still only at 3.1 so it's almost the same immune boost from Con as when it was 3.0 when I made the character. What I was curious about was how much effect the Medical Advanced had in this case. Maybe it was what saved me? But I don't fully understand all of the effects; so if Medical Advanced did indeed have significant effect, HOW exactly is it affecting the wounds and the germs? I understand the recovery rate will be faster and items that treats the wound will be more effective in healing the wound. But does Medical Advance also affect immune system percentage in the wounds? Does Medical Advance directly obstruct germ growth? Or is Medical Advanced causing faster HP% regen and at the same time, if less HP% results in lower immune system percentage then if Medical Advanced cause more/faster HP% regen it will indirectly cause better immune system if health was low, because it will make HP regen (much?) faster?

What Im really fishing after I think is clear information and definition about what the skills do. The wiki seems like it may be missing a lot of information and the tooltip for skills I feel are incomplete or fairly vague in terms of what the actual effects and magnitudes are.

[Radonator]

did u hear it first? u hunting this bear or what? do they even make a noise before theyre right on u? Ive havent seen a bear in forever.couple wolves.
I heard them howling, hunted one, an one attack an survive.

YES advanced medical makes a heall of alot of difference. skill levels r no joke, they help Alot. if u werent advanced in that skill, probably infection would have spread an gotten worse probably died. an u had good healthy immune system.
dont wonder if systems working as intended, u just saw the benefits of gaining skills in action.

[DoktorFar]

Originally posted by Radonator:

did u hear it first? u hunting this bear or what? do they even make a noise before theyre right on u? Ive havent seen a bear in forever.couple wolves.
I heard them howling, hunted one, an one attack an survive.

No, it made no sound as it ran towards me, it ran fast (and totally silently) and reached me very quickly before I could react to draw a weapon to defend. Only when it made its attack at me that hit me did it make bear grunt/growl sounds. I made another post in another thread about being attacked by this assassin bear and the problem with it being completely silent while stampeding through the forest foliage, which felt very wrong. I was standing still in the forest, not hunting for anything, just standing still trying to think about where to go and what to do, wasn't holding right mouse button to be in hunting mode, but just standing still and not crafting or moving items, not being short of breath so not breathing loudly or heart pounding. wasn't wearing earplugs or gasmask or a full head helmet (dont know if those things muffle perception of sound in game, but they do in real life). Only other sound was the low sound of a slight wind. I should definitely have heard it coming, so something was wrong with the lack of sound. Even the silent puppets that doesnt scream that just runs towards you will still cause sounds of footsteps to become louder as they get closer to you. This is definitely something I can hear from far enough distance away to be able to react, I mean when Im standing still and there aren't really any other sounds; I have experienced this many many times when I have been in the deep forests, I'd run through it and then often stop and stay still and listen while looking around (I kind feel like a squirrel ngl. Imagine a squirrel with a bow and a spear; only thing lacking is being able to scoot up into trees). The only times I have missed them is because I kept running creating my own noises including through foliage which obscured the sounds of the puppets footsteps so I didnt notice it; but never when standing still, I have ALWAYS heard them approach from at minimum the sound of their footsteps.

Originally posted by Radonator:

YES advanced medical makes a heall of alot of difference. skill levels r no joke, they help Alot. if u werent advanced in that skill, probably infection would have spread an gotten worse probably died. an u had good healthy immune system.
dont wonder if systems working as intended, u just saw the benefits of gaining skills in action.

Sweet, Im really happy I took advanced Medical, then it really helps deal with some of major emergencies that could otherwise be fatal.

[Radonator]

an i think they spawn stuff on u when u stand still for awhile. Ive had several times muppets in bunkers appear/spawn/came over..whateva, right behind me, silently of course, an u dont know till they start hitting u.
keep ur head on a swivel as they say- an go work on camoflage n stealth.. haha