Skill sliders in server settings

[marktkm]

Is there any chance of a quick rundown of the sliders for the skills under ESC - Server Settings - Features - Skills? I was curious what the base rate of gains were and what activities actually move each one.

[saiyuk976]

The sliders are a straight up multiplier to the xp gained in any of the appropriate skills.

As for base rates there's a fair amount of variables depending on the skill, and most things are fairly straight forward for gaining skill. Any in particular giving you trouble?

I mean, running increases running, faster you cover distance the more xp you get.
Higher intelligence, gives a bonus to that xp. Changing the slider to 5.0 will give x5 to what ever your xp ticks are at 1.0

Running is pretty obvious though, as are weapons, driving, motorcycles.
Medical, treating c4 bleeds is the way to go, but you have to recover, can get some minor xp from crafting burn gel also.

[marktkm]

Originally posted by saiyuk976:

most things are fairly straight forward for gaining skill

Yes, some are straight forward, like running, but I'm more interested in the ones like demo that have multiple gain methods (building, defusing, etc.). Not having any trouble with any, just wondering about the back end details, especially as they change over time, like the loss of XP gain with the practice items or archery gains from targets.

Originally posted by saiyuk976:

Changing the slider to 5.0 will give x5 to what ever your xp ticks are at 1.0

The XP tick rate at 1.0 is what I was curious about. If it's the same for all of them then I can use past rates of increase to make a good estimate of whether and where I want to make an adjustment with test characters. If they're different it would help avoid a lot of trial and error.

They may not have a ready made list, and may not want to give it out even if they do. Some people will take a list like that and turn the game into nothing but skill grinding math, which results in things like people crouch walking into corners. I just thought I'd ask, though.

[Strayed]

Originally posted by marktkm:

They may not have a ready made list, and may not want to give it out even if they do. Some people will take a list like that and turn the game into nothing but skill grinding math, which results in things like people crouch walking into corners. I just thought I'd ask, though.

This.. I really hope this doesn't happen

There needs to be some sort of interupt or counter that stops this behaviour... maybe you can't get more than a certain amount of XP towards a thing in a hour or maybe you need to press a different key to change directions or something.......

Good point marktkm

[serilium]

come on people this is something some players like me have been on their knee`s begging to happen, and now we finally get something actually useful you are on here complaining trying to get it removed, we got a win stop trying to turn it into a loss.

[saiyuk976]

As far as I know, the crouch walking into static assets, has stopped giving xp for some time now.
As for the grinding skills, if you want one to get higher, you want to do it as effectively as possible, or at the very least be making active gains while playing the game regularly.

Regular play is fine for running/endurance/weapons. Engineering on the other hand, super easy to grind with a min/max meta, kinda slow gains for regular gameplay.

To clarify, regular gameplay would be building a base.
Min/max meta would be chainsawing trees into planks, adding planks to single doorframe BP (needs a flag) until basic, adding planks to wheelbarrow BP (no flag) until advanced+

RE loss of xp from practice bombs and archery targets.
Archery targets are now like any other building asset and no longer give weapon xp, I believe this change was intentional. Practice bombs, I believe is a bug, If no longer gaining xp from wire cutting, try crafting the practice boards. I hate the practice boards, other than for a warm up practice session, couldn't do it for 2 hours straight.

RE 1.0 skill multiplier
Every skill is different, many skills having a long list of activities that give differing amounts of xp, with those variables all being adjusted further depending on intelligence and current skill level (none/basic/medium/advanced)
Engineering again, you get some engineering xp for repairing things, shoes, jacket, backpack, armor, guns etc. the amount of xp is different for every item, repairing an M82 gives way more xp than repairing your socks.
Melee xp is somewhat of a per hit xp gain, so 1 tapping a puppet with a katana is a tiny amount of xp, versus crafting a wooden practice sword, and taking many many hits to drop that same puppet.
Archery damage is determined by arrows, so if grinding xp you want wooden arrows, leg shots until puppet is 1 hit from death then headshot to finish for bonus xp.

[MeanStreak]

Originally posted by saiyuk976:

As far as I know, the crouch walking into static assets, has stopped giving xp for some time now.
As for the grinding skills, if you want one to get higher, you want to do it as effectively as possible, or at the very least be making active gains while playing the game regularly.

Regular play is fine for running/endurance/weapons. Engineering on the other hand, super easy to grind with a min/max meta, kinda slow gains for regular gameplay.

To clarify, regular gameplay would be building a base.
Min/max meta would be chainsawing trees into planks, adding planks to single doorframe BP (needs a flag) until basic, adding planks to wheelbarrow BP (no flag) until advanced+

RE loss of xp from practice bombs and archery targets.
Archery targets are now like any other building asset and no longer give weapon xp, I believe this change was intentional. Practice bombs, I believe is a bug, If no longer gaining xp from wire cutting, try crafting the practice boards. I hate the practice boards, other than for a warm up practice session, couldn't do it for 2 hours straight.

RE 1.0 skill multiplier
Every skill is different, many skills having a long list of activities that give differing amounts of xp, with those variables all being adjusted further depending on intelligence and current skill level (none/basic/medium/advanced)
Engineering again, you get some engineering xp for repairing things, shoes, jacket, backpack, armor, guns etc. the amount of xp is different for every item, repairing an M82 gives way more xp than repairing your socks.
Melee xp is somewhat of a per hit xp gain, so 1 tapping a puppet with a katana is a tiny amount of xp, versus crafting a wooden practice sword, and taking many many hits to drop that same puppet.
Archery damage is determined by arrows, so if grinding xp you want wooden arrows, leg shots until puppet is 1 hit from death then headshot to finish for bonus xp.

There are still ways to "AFK level up". I've seen people running around and round and round with for ex the wheelbarrow inside their base and clearly AFK(because I've tried to talk with them).
Still also see people crouch walking into corners and according to what I heard it still gives XP. (also, I highly doubt these people would do all these things if they don't gain any XP for it). I do however wonder how their shoes aren't worn out and they'd get foot abrasions...? (or maybe they do, but not enough I guess)

[Beda]

As others have noted it is there for people in SP or on private servers that want to adjust how they gain skills. As for the backend numbers and all that we are not giving that information for the reasons already mentioned, limit min/max grind as much as possible as it is not in the scope of vision we have for SCUM. Of course it will still happen and we cannot really stop people from doing it, but it does not mean we have to make it easy for them.

[DodgeyB]

There are a couple youtubers who already break down the math and provide means to efficiently level things up.

Make grind, people will find a way to game it and publish ways to beat it.

[marktkm]

Originally posted by ferret:

come on people this is something some players like me have been on their knee`s begging to happen, and now we finally get something actually useful you are on here complaining trying to get it removed, we got a win stop trying to turn it into a loss.

No one has said they wanted anything removed. I was just curious about the details of the back end values.

Originally posted by Beda:

As others have noted it is there for people in SP or on private servers that want to adjust how they gain skills. As for the backend numbers and all that we are not giving that information for the reasons already mentioned, limit min/max grind as much as possible as it is not in the scope of vision we have for SCUM. Of course it will still happen and we cannot really stop people from doing it, but it does not mean we have to make it easy for them.

Fair enough. And thanks for the response. :)

[Doc]

If devs really want to fix the most prolific afk grinds with just copy/paste code they already have....

There is no activity gain from running/crouch walking into things, so you lose constitution instead of gaining it. You could use the same activity check for running/stealth/endurance skills.

You stop pushing a car when you run out of stamina, just add that to wheelbarrow.