Cheaters on Officials.

[Kiethoo]

There is just no point in sinking any time in this game when cheaters are this rampant.
I don't like private servers, and I understand it is difficult preventing cheating on a game like this (Especially when the rumors are that the people who make the cheats are the same ones making the Anti-Cheats). But Logged in today on EAST OFFICIAL #1.
Base was raided...no surprise really...other that all my locks were still on all the doors and mines I had placed next to them in corners were all still there. The only thing not there was the 3 boxes of random loot I had and here is the really fun part, the pressure cooker bomb I meshed inside the boxes was still there.
(edit) - This location was a natural building inside the corner of my flag zone. The flag was still marked as mine. In the small chance someone had logged out inside said building a previous day or seasonwipe, they would have set off the bomb or mines. Again doors were still locked. No windows or gaps to use to escape through.

But what ever right. ♥♥♥♥ happens...
So I run off with all my locks and head to my fall back box in the middle of no where. Litterally no where, no landmarks. It's marked only by a horsehead marker BP which isn't even directly near the box.

I cleverly dug it under a dead tree, it doesn't show up at all if the dead tree is active, only appears once it is cut down. Gone.........but okay.....okay....MAYBE...JUST MAYBE...some one randomly cut that tree down and saw it....or maybe noticed it somehow.....or maybe even saw me bury it a week ago....

I went to one last fallback box. This one is a small shack with no windows just a door...a door with a newer style mech patrolling past it after few seconds closely. 2 Gold Locks and a Pad Lock...which great still on the door !

Go inside....now I have to be careful cause I meshed a mine inside the box inside.....pulled the box over to me, Mine was gone...but thats fine I was gone 3 days, maybe it despawned.
Box was full HP....and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ empty.
I had more or less just a 1911 2 mags and some clothing inside it with a bookbag.
Gone...and again...the ONLY access into that room was a door with 2 gold locks and a padlock patrolled by a adv mech.

I wasn't there for any of it, but the people on my server said that in the last few days the server was "over run" with "Chinese and Russian" hackers and that alot of people quit playing this week (on east 1).

[Deathwhisper]

Hello :),

If illegal activity is taking place or is observed, it is always most helpful to report it so that it can be investigated.

See Here how best to do this.

Reporting these incidents is the greatest help as there is already a lot that can be done thanks to logs.

[ACE]

Yes, another cheat report that is coming in every 30 minutes on top of the 10,000's of reports in 2023. That will surely stop em.

[CrankyOldMan]

Every time a cheat report gets reported it is a chance for the devs to see and learn how they are doing the cheat in the first place which can lead to it becoming non effective in the future.

I know of one cheat that I recorded and sent to the devs that they were able to code out it's ability to work.

Regardless of which game it is any multiplayer game will have it's cheaters. Some more than others.
Scum is in alpha, the code is still being written for even the basics to be added in to it.

The devs have said a deeper effort can be done in the future once the basic code is done. Too many things are being changed atm which might break their own ability to anticheat.

The devs also have said they are working on their own anticheat system-so these reports can assist in that process also!

[CrankyOldMan]

The only thing not there was the 3 boxes of random loot I had and here is the really fun part, the pressure cooker bomb I meshed inside the boxes was still there.

Some questions:

Were those 3 boxes bought or crafted.
If crafted were they crafted on a foundation.
Was that foundation there in that base or a different location.

There is a bug that if you craft a chest on a foundation and then later on that foundation gets *destroyed* or *upgraded* the chest that were built on it go poof!

All crafted chests need to be crafted on the ground then moved until that bug gets solved!

[Kiethoo]

They were inside non-crafted building. They were made on flat ground and moved to that location. I'm aware of the report system and I understand the usual copy - paste post from you Deathwhisper, but theres just really nothing tangible to report. It all happen while I wasn't online. Can't even 100% tell you it was cheating.

But cheating is a problem, a bad one that has caused most of my squad to quit playing.
The worst offenders being the guys that go around the map flying. That was apparently seen and reported just days ago on Official East 1

[x8InViSible8X]

Originally posted by Deathwhisper:

Hello :),

If illegal activity is taking place or is observed, it is always most helpful to report it so that it can be investigated.

See Here how best to do this.

Reporting these incidents is the greatest help as there is already a lot that can be done thanks to logs.

In 99% of the time reports are to late! Squads spending hours for grinding gear, building base, finding car + parts, for some1 who can destroy all that in 10min beeing offline.

[serilium]

while i have yet to be a victim of cheating, i`ve certainly been cheated out of gear a lot recently with cars vanishing and gear vanishing as well, (i will never use a wolf wagon ever again - btw) i only use single player at the moment although i do have a multiplayer character on a youtuber server, the lag issue makes using that character differcult and i do favour being alone irl and in scum, i don`t trust human beings at all, as for reporting cheating i`ve done plenty of that in the past not going to bother in the future.

[Kiethoo]

That is kind of another thing.
I get this is EA, you are building your game, you are trying to make it more and more fun....not always....most of the time. But as it's been said, when your playing this game and you sink alot of time into it and then suddenly everything you have worked on for weeks...months even, is ruined in a single moment by someone using cheats it is a real mood killer.

When you get raided or killed or whatever in a PVP game you have to accept it....its part of the game play, and you should enjoy really, it's content. If you don't enjoy the game play of the chance at loss then PVP isnt for you.

But when you lose your base, gear, vehicle, ect because someone is cheating and are simply told "It's EA" constantly it really sucks and its demoralizing to where you just dont wanna bother playing the game anymore.

This is exactly what happen to my group a few weeks ago. They all started playing CONAN. I didn't want to but I wanted to hang with my boys so I did, and it was just constantly hackers and cheaters until we gave up, the Dev team for that game to the credit of the SCUM DEV TEAM didn't even answer our cheater report for 3 weeks and even then gave us a copy paste report that didn't even include the correct info we gave them.

As for losses through bugs....I mean I get it, EA....bug happens...Im alittle more forgiving when it comes to Bugs.

Here's a fun video of BIG AL coming to pick me up in our fully kitted out Wolfwagon 2 seasons ago and losing a buncha gear. BIG AL wasn't happy about losing it all and the devs being like "It's EA" but we let it go. IT wasn't until later when we got our base destroyed by a exploiting cheater that we quit that season

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82dH_5MGtx4

[Fithin]

Bro just uninstall already. I know I can count on one of your posts every few months on here lol.

[Kuriisu]

Hello,
we appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns regarding cheating and the overall gameplay experience in our game. Your feedback is invaluable to us as we continuously strive to improve the game and create a fair and enjoyable environment for all players.

We understand that dealing with cheaters can be frustrating and impact the integrity of the game. Cheating is a challenge that many online games face, and we are committed to addressing this issue to the best of our ability. Our development team is actively working on enhancing our anti-cheat measures and collaborating with various security experts to minimize the presence of cheaters in the game.

In the meantime please whenever you encounter a cheater, or a suspicious activity in general, head over to https://support.scumgame.com/ and open a ticket, each and every report is manually investigated and handled. Players that are found to be using cheats always receive a ban hammer.

[Chef_uk]

Originally posted by Kuriisu:

Hello,
we appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns regarding cheating and the overall gameplay experience in our game. Your feedback is invaluable to us as we continuously strive to improve the game and create a fair and enjoyable environment for all players.

We understand that dealing with cheaters can be frustrating and impact the integrity of the game. Cheating is a challenge that many online games face, and we are committed to addressing this issue to the best of our ability. Our development team is actively working on enhancing our anti-cheat measures and collaborating with various security experts to minimize the presence of cheaters in the game.

In the meantime please whenever you encounter a cheater, or a suspicious activity in general, head over to https://support.scumgame.com/ and open a ticket, each and every report is manually investigated and handled. Players that are found to be using cheats always receive a ban hammer.

Have you seen any cheats that are specific for SCUM? For instance, a cheat where a player could locate another player's blueprints or see where Chests are buried? Or are the cheaters just using the same standard of cheats that exist in every game?

[flexdouglas]

We reported a guy (->) almost 2 weeks ago on US West Solo who's not even trying to hide his ESP/aimbot use in events. Can't start one without him joining. Their anti-cheat and reporting system seem useless. At least we have Deathwhisper's canned responses and Cranky defending against any and all complaints.

[Deathwhisper]

Originally posted by flexdouglas:

We reported a guy (->) almost 2 weeks ago on US West Solo who's not even trying to hide his ESP/aimbot use in events. Can't start one without him joining. Their anti-cheat and reporting system seem useless. At least we have Deathwhisper's canned responses and Cranky defending against any and all complaints.

Just one example:

I already had the "great" experience of getting banned just because someone thought I was cheating.
A call for investigation took place and resulted in a Serious Issue for the developers of the software in question:

1. Not only was the reaction too quick, it wasn't investigated at all. The ban was not only unjustified but also invalid.
2. Due to the way it happened, compensation had to be made.
3. Measures had to be taken against the executing admin.
4. Loss of reputation for the developers because nothing weighs more heavily than an unjustified ban against an innocent person.

Exactly something like that shouldn't happen during investigations. Just because someone has skill doesn't necessarily mean they're a cheater. You can't get banned just because of skills. These are things that must be taken into account in order to ensure a proper and correct process. However, it is precisely for this reason that it is important to make a report and to check the report so that it can be followed up and acted correctly, because in addition to ability, there are unfortunately black sheep.

"Cheating" is often talked about so highly these days because skill and talent are proclaimed as "cheating". So good players are reported in the same way as black sheep. This significantly increases the number of reports.

[flexdouglas]

Originally posted by Deathwhisper:

Originally posted by flexdouglas:

We reported a guy (->) almost 2 weeks ago on US West Solo who's not even trying to hide his ESP/aimbot use in events. Can't start one without him joining. Their anti-cheat and reporting system seem useless. At least we have Deathwhisper's canned responses and Cranky defending against any and all complaints.

Just one example:

I already had the "great" experience of getting banned just because someone thought I was cheating.
A call for investigation took place and resulted in a Serious Issue for the developers of the software in question:

1. Not only was the reaction too quick, it wasn't investigated at all. The ban was not only unjustified but also invalid.
2. Due to the way it happened, compensation had to be made.
3. Measures had to be taken against the executing admin.
4. Loss of reputation for the developers because nothing weighs more heavily than an unjustified ban against an innocent person.

Exactly something like that shouldn't happen during investigations. Just because someone has skill doesn't necessarily mean they're a cheater. You can't get banned just because of skills. These are things that must be taken into account in order to ensure a proper and correct process. However, it is precisely for this reason that it is important to make a report and to check the report so that it can be followed up and acted correctly, because in addition to ability, there are unfortunately black sheep.

"Cheating" is often talked about so highly these days because skill and talent are proclaimed as "cheating". So good players are reported in the same way as black sheep. This significantly increases the number of reports.

I said something like, "Whoah, it's not cool to throw accusations around in chat, just report it" before joining an event to see it with my own eyes. He's not even attempting to hide it. Is two weeks a reasonable amount of time for an "investigation"? I was pissed after 48 hours and now I'm just giving up hope. I don't think you investigate reports. I don't believe you.

That video of the dev giving a streamer a cheaters head seems like propaganda.

[PYR]

Originally posted by Kuriisu:

Hello,
we appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns regarding cheating and the overall gameplay experience in our game. Your feedback is invaluable to us as we continuously strive to improve the game and create a fair and enjoyable environment for all players.

We understand that dealing with cheaters can be frustrating and impact the integrity of the game. Cheating is a challenge that many online games face, and we are committed to addressing this issue to the best of our ability. Our development team is actively working on enhancing our anti-cheat measures and collaborating with various security experts to minimize the presence of cheaters in the game.

In the meantime please whenever you encounter a cheater, or a suspicious activity in general, head over to https://support.scumgame.com/ and open a ticket, each and every report is manually investigated and handled. Players that are found to be using cheats always receive a ban hammer.

If Cheaters were saying: 'hello i am a cheater', we could report something... but when we are victim of cheaters, it is when we are not logged.... At least the stuff should be secure when we are not online.... But this report is exactly what I felt and the reason why i dont play scum for the time being... until things are getting better.... maybe one day...