Whats the point of melee?

[TheBlob]

I have medium skill in melee and it takes 10 or more hits to down a puppet with a melee weapon; while on the other hand it takes at most 3 arrows with no kill in archery to accomplish the same thing. Also, blocking doesn't really seem to do much of anything as I seem to get hit 99% of the time while blocking anyway. I just don't see the point in choosing melee over a simple bow at all. Am I missing something or is melee just completely useless?

[Gavener]

Did a test a while back with Medium Melee and 2 strength, took 13 hits with a stone spear to kill a zombie, strength 5 took 12 hits to kill a zombie........ the Bow is BIS 2-4 hits

[Radonator]

Gavener a écrit :

Did a test a while back with Medium Melee and 2 strength, took 13 hits with a stone spear to kill a zombie, strength 5 took 12 hits to kill a zombie........ the Bow is BIS 2-4 hits

what bow?

[Gavener]

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Gavener a écrit :

Did a test a while back with Medium Melee and 2 strength, took 13 hits with a stone spear to kill a zombie, strength 5 took 12 hits to kill a zombie........ the Bow is BIS 2-4 hits

what bow?

Any Bow, I use the home made 20-35 pounder and wood or stone arrows, I use a bow in like all my games so not to bad with one, just can't miss if you do the middle mouse punch will punch stun them a second, also First Person for bows 3rd I might it the side of a barn

[Radonator]

Gavener a écrit :

Radonator a écrit :

what bow?

Any Bow, I use the home made 20-35 pounder and wood or stone arrows, I use a bow in like all my games so not to bad with one, just can't miss if you do the middle mouse punch will punch stun them a second, also First Person for bows 3rd I might it the side of a barn

I played with the only crossbow, the blackhawk. theres exploding arrows haha.
and I got it Off a Muppet I kild . that was usually one-shot kills, maybe 2

[Enforcer]

marktkm a écrit :

Enforcer a écrit :

What i don't understand is why the spear doesn't kill a puppet in the same amount of stabs...

I'm not one to suggest you sharpen a long branch and get an actual knife and stab someone with both to see the difference in penetration power and damage (I am actually, but lawyers ya know XD), but this is more than reasonable. A wooden spear would have far less penetration and far more friction resistance, even if it was machined and not just cut from a tree limb.

If they add parkeryo7's idea of heavy attacks later the assumed added force could justify some higher damage and even them up.

If you had added the rest of the sentence to the quote you wouldn't have to answer because i never mentioned a wooden spear.
But to answerr your selective answer...back in the day where we only had smoke to communicate our ancestors hunted big animals with sharpened sticks until they finally found out that bone and after that flint were a nice upgrade and stuck it to the tip of their wooden sticks. If it penetrates it penetrates...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toaSTojBIb8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chs8NCBZKYc

[oynlengeymer]

melee for pups is great. Very easy. bow is fine too but sudden multiple running at you, unseen etc, melee is just a faster react tool than bow. Soon pups will bee breaking into doors so... Yes the melee system aint perfect but it does work.

[oynlengeymer]

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Gavener a écrit :

Did a test a while back with Medium Melee and 2 strength, took 13 hits with a stone spear to kill a zombie, strength 5 took 12 hits to kill a zombie........ the Bow is BIS 2-4 hits

what bow?

craft stone axe everytime right away.
Spears are useless. but yes, there should be some balance

[oynlengeymer]

for wolves or bears, a sharp spear keeps at bay from distance but low damage. A stone axe is close combat but heavy hits, directed at head of puppets rather than body. Probably why.

[Strayed]

I think people are missing the point about melee damage

Piercing or stabbing weapons, aren't specifically lethal. Sure, in realistic terms, if someone was to be stabbed in a critical area, such as the heart or brain death would be in seconds. Generally speaking in real world terms, someone who has been stabbed multiple times doesn't specifically die 'instantly' (like in the movies) but instead suffers blood loss or whats called Hypovolemic Shock. The devs have done a pretty good job, at least in my view, to simulate this in game. Anyone who suggests a knife should kill something instantly really needs to go to an Emergency Department and speak to a Trauma Doctor or Nurse

Same as slashing damage with knives. These are not lethal and instead cause blood loss (hypovolemic shock). However! A katana, for instance, is designed to be a slicing/cleaving weapon so it would make sense that puppets should be having limbs sliced off ergo M Kill and subsequently into K kill as more limbs are sliced off. Remember, in game Puppets are being controlled by the AI chip in their head, as such they do not feel pain and should technically speaking keep attacking a player until the puppet is no longer physically able to do so -ie, all of its limbs are smashed or dismembered or destruction of the chip (ie head shot/crushed)

Which leads me to Blunt weapons.

In realistic terms, blunt weapons are far more lethal as the force of say a sledgehammer hitting a location on a body has greater force due to the mass of the hammer and the transfer of force ergo damage is instant over a larger area than a thin blade being thrust into the body. The blunt force trauma also penetrates deeper into the body and ruptures organs and of course the excessive amount of force smashes bones. Hammer to the chest can fracture ribs and puncture lung/s or even pierce the heart. The hammer or blunt weapon is literally transferring instant force or damage to the target which adrenalin can't override such as a broken bones, smashed knee, broken spine with a severed spinal cord, where as a knife/stab wound adrenalin dulls your pain receptors and you can continue fighting despite recieving a potentially critical bleeding wound.

Interestingly, some of the zombie movies actually have it right when protagonists use weapons such as bats, clubs and hammers.... remember, if a leg bone is smashed/broken it can't support weight....... the damage is instant, where as stabs are a 'damage over time' (unless jammed into someones brain or into the heart) and technically in a fictional zombie wouldn't do anything / slow down a zombie....... so knives are just ridiculous to use unless you can get that head shot into the brain to cease all movement... also, armour is no protection against a sledgehammer

Axes, are somewhat of an interesting tool/weapon. They can cleave like a sword but they also have extreme force like a blunt weapon. Axes, in my view, should be the more lethal in game melee weapon with their inherent (in real life) ability to smash bones by transferring instant force as well as the ability to cleave limbs or crush a skull. Additionally, axes chop right through stab vests.....

I think what the devs need to do, is actually do knock downs correctly from a puppet or player being hit with a blunt weapon like a hammer or axe and bring in broken bones (like properly do it -none of this 'sprained my ankle and 30 minutes later I'm all good' blin) and cleaving hits for the obvious weapons that can cleave such as Katana, axe and chinese straight edge.. the long sword is actually more about slashing and stabbing -it was never meant for cleaving attacks... a claymore or zweihander on the other hand, are anti cavalry weapons and are meant for cleaving the legs of horses and also having enough range to hit/stab the rider as they charged forward -sort of like how pike's were used

[PepsiMontana]

Jolie Rouge a écrit :

Uhm...Katana? Tang Dao? Traynor's Axe? Handaxe? Bushman? Bayonet on a rifle? Wushu Spear? 5 hits at max.
Bayonet does insta kill.
Of course depending on STR.

i have 0 melee but with my katana i kill puppets with 2 hits

[Jolie Rouge]

PepsiMontana a écrit :

Jolie Rouge a écrit :

Uhm...Katana? Tang Dao? Traynor's Axe? Handaxe? Bushman? Bayonet on a rifle? Wushu Spear? 5 hits at max.
Bayonet does insta kill.
Of course depending on STR.

i have 0 melee but with my katana i kill puppets with 2 hits

That's average hits depending on the weapon used.

[marktkm]

Enforcer a écrit :

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Fair enough if we were dealing with hardened super wood in the game. Maybe something to throw into suggestions. And yes, a spear will penetrate, but still not as well or easily as a metal knife, even with a scrap of metal attached or a hand made stone knife. Our ancestors were persistence hunters. They had to hit their prey and then follow them waiting for them to bleed out. I think Cranky has a fair point about the Wushu spear, though.

[InnCognito]

my favorite is the nightstick ... >:-)

[gun goes pew pew]

with a katana, it takes 1-2hits

[Orici Vintarion]

TheBlob a écrit :

I have medium skill in melee and it takes 10 or more hits to down a puppet with a melee weapon; while on the other hand it takes at most 3 arrows with no kill in archery to accomplish the same thing. Also, blocking doesn't really seem to do much of anything as I seem to get hit 99% of the time while blocking anyway. I just don't see the point in choosing melee over a simple bow at all. Am I missing something or is melee just completely useless?

The game actually pride's itself on being realistic. So let me ask you what do u use to block. ?

Lower arms and fists those are the parts which block an attack guess what they do get DMG once u have the police riot armor which has padding in those area's the DMG incurred while actively blocking goes down considerably