gas

[Arthur_Dent]

We already pay for gas when we get it at the trader. It's at a trader so it's expected as far as I'm concerned. Am I the only one that thinks it's ridiculous to pay for gas at gas stations? What's next having to pay for the loot we get in poi's like the airport or naval yard or other places?

[Arthur_Dent]

Originally posted by 4MIGO:

Originally posted by dustbiter:

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It'd be better to cut off all gas station pumps and greatly increase the amount of gas that can be scavenged from garages and gas stations.

Yeah... :lunar2019piginablanket:

All those exaggerated opinions like "use the card to open a bunker or spawn a deer" ...
I hate to say it, but you are just mad about the change, face it!

Fast movement is a luxury, so we have to pay for it.
I don't understand why it's so hard to adapt... :(

Yeah? Actually no. Some of the exaggerated examples are just that Examples. When I first heard about having to pay for gas at an abandoned gas station I didn't think it was actually coming to the game. It makes sense to pay for something at the trader. It doesn't make sense to pay at an abandoned gas station when you can just screw the lid off the tank to access it. You're looting everything else there why pay for the gas? Like I suggested in another comment just add a NPC there like in the trader.

[4MIGO]

Originally posted by Raithe:

Dislike something, not enjoying it, or in other ways finding something annoying is in not the same as having difficulty adapting. You could certainly posit the opinion that ppl dislike the mechanic because they cannot adapt HOWEVER the two things are separate.

True, true...

Originally posted by Arthur_Dent:

Yeah? Actually no. Some of the exaggerated examples are just that Examples. When I first heard about having to pay for gas at an abandoned gas station I didn't think it was actually coming to the game. It makes sense to pay for something at the trader. It doesn't make sense to pay at an abandoned gas station when you can just screw the lid off the tank to access it. You're looting everything else there why pay for the gas? Like I suggested in another comment just add a NPC there like in the trader.

All those examples felt wrong to me at a certain point...
But yeah, if people don't like the new system lore wise... they simply don't like it, nothing wrong in general.

I like the point about the underground pipes somebody mentioned.
And now Tec1 just automated fuel process and thought it's time to ask for some cash.

Let's say we have NPC who refill our cars... that would take ages with an animation etc. to make it look somewhat credible... people wouldn't like it i guess. ^^

To me the stations just felt very unfinished before... we made a step forward imho.

[Arthur_Dent]

Originally posted by 4MIGO:

Originally posted by Raithe:

Dislike something, not enjoying it, or in other ways finding something annoying is in not the same as having difficulty adapting. You could certainly posit the opinion that ppl dislike the mechanic because they cannot adapt HOWEVER the two things are separate.

True, true...

Originally posted by Arthur_Dent:

Yeah? Actually no. Some of the exaggerated examples are just that Examples. When I first heard about having to pay for gas at an abandoned gas station I didn't think it was actually coming to the game. It makes sense to pay for something at the trader. It doesn't make sense to pay at an abandoned gas station when you can just screw the lid off the tank to access it. You're looting everything else there why pay for the gas? Like I suggested in another comment just add a NPC there like in the trader.

All those examples felt wrong to me at a certain point...
But yeah, if people don't like the new system lore wise... they simply don't like it, nothing wrong in general.

I like the point about the underground pipes somebody mentioned.
And now Tec1 just automated fuel process and thought it's time to ask for some cash.

Let's say we have NPC who refill our cars... that would take ages with an animation etc. to make it look somewhat credible... people wouldn't like it i guess. ^^

To me the stations just felt very unfinished before... we made a step forward imho.

The NPC wouldn't have to do anything besides what the other NPC's do. Just stand behind the counter and take care of transactions. Also put a little food or drinks in it for sale. IMO that would actually be a step forward. It'd be better than paying for something you could easily loot since no one is around to stop you.

[kule]

The thing I don't get? The patch notes state:

"this is a new feature meant to combat 2 issues we got from your feedback. Gas being readily available and money inflation"

OK. Just because you have 2 issues doesn't mean you HAVE to combine the solutions. Water wells are usually empty, why couldn't the same be done for gas stations? If gas was too "readily available" then make them replenish at a much slower rate.

Why are you so keen on making us use credit cards in a survival game?

Money inflation?? What value is money to someone trying to survive? NOT ALL OF US WANT TO USE MONEY IN THIS GAME. Let the trader goers buy their gas at the trader. For the rest of us, what is SO WRONG with first come first served at the gas stations?

For that matter, you can have one pump require a credit card, and the other pump is first come first served with a much slower replenish rate. What's wrong with that? NOTHING!!

[kule]

What exactly is it with more and more features meant to drive players to the outposts? Do you want to require us to buy and sell loot or not? If yes, then make real necessities like guns and clips only available there. If not then please stop trying to shove your credit cards down our throats.

I'll tell you one thing, you have done the opposite for me. Because now that I am WALKING MOSTLY I am typically MUCH farther from the outposts then I was before.

[dustbiter]

Originally posted by Grinch843:

I just don't get all the hate for the this? People are saying its "not realistic", its more realistic now then it was. Not sure where some of you live, but where I do, I HAVE to pay for my gas, I can't just pull up to a gas station and fill up and leave. "But there is no one to pay at the gas station", pretty much all gas stations today are automated, you pull in , swipe your card, get your gas then leave. So what the devs have added is pretty much spot on to what is going on in the real world. Then they throw in "its now an ambush site", it's always been an ambush site because everyone with a car is going to stop at the gas stations to get gas, even when it was free. Then there's the "I have to carry my card, It might get stolen", you don't have to have your card on you, just carry a little bit of cash with you and your good to go, again, you take that chance IRL every time you stop and get gas. Getting your stuff stolen is part of the game, your more likely to get your base raided then have someone figure out your 2 digit code on a gold card. Speaking of the cards, no one is forcing you put your money in a bank, keep it at your base or bury it somewhere, just like it's always been.

I'am afraid this is going to end up like the Fame Point issue awhile back, IMO that was a well needed addition, the numbers needed adjusted a little, but otherwise it was perfect. I just hope the Devs don't give in and remove this like they did the Fame Points.

Next we'll have to pay for parking our vehicles, it happens in real life too so it's realistic.

[Uzrael]

Originally posted by Grinch843:

... Heck, I'd be ok if they got rid of the gas stations and the only way to get gas was looting small amounts or having to buy it from the mechanic :-).

THIS ^ is a much better way to have implemented a charge for fuel.
1. Add charged gas pump to Traders with unlimited fuel but you need to pay
2. Reduce free fuel from gas stations and put padlocks on the pumps
3. Increase drop of fuel in gas cans in garages for more viable scavenging of fuel

I think this would fit the feel of the game and the choices players have to make much better:
Traders = safety and guaranteed supply but require cash/card
Relevant PoI = high risk location with better chance of supply, but need to lockpick
Scavenging = risky with chance-based supply and a requirement to spend time scavenging

If NPCs come to the Gas Stations at some point in the future, then they could simply replace padlocks with card readers and set up shop (which might be a good admin setting for private servers).

Originally posted by xKiCkx:

It won't because it's not getting removed. There is an option for the private server to turn it off completely and modify the price of the gas if they want.

@xKiCkx - ok, so the concept of pay for fuel isn't getting removed, but are you guys open to reconsidering details of how its implemented?

[Lyrdian]

Originally posted by xKiCkx:

Gas price can be adjusted, if you don't like the option you can turn it off completely by setting the modifier to 0. This will of course work only in SP and private servers as officials have the price of 15$ per liter and that is the default. so if you gonna fill in the gas canister you will end up paying 300$ as the capacity of the gasoline canister is 20 liters.

Or... you could not add tedious mechanics to things? The last couple of updates have been HORRIBLE for a survival game. The fame mechanic got better, but majority if not all cars needing to be DRAGGED to a safe zone to be able to get them working, Animal spawns havent been adjusted/regulated, gas prices being added in, THE BANK CARDS ARE AWFUL OH MY GOD.

The game has so many places that adjustments could be made to slow people down or give them incentive to get away from the same 3 spots on the map. Supply/demand at traders, variable prices on supply/demand, GAS STATIONS AT TRADERS THAT HAVE UNLIMITED GAS FOR A PRICE, wild gas stations that spawn with low amounts but a higher chance for gas cans with random amounts of fuel. Armed NPC patrols/POIs, puppet hordes/swarms with mechanics rather than a random spot of 5-20 of them, add mini-traders that spawn in different locations (like a secure building in the city). Stop making the game tedious just to slow people down when there are ways to add mechanics that actually add to the game without being ridiculous.


On topic, we are criminals that were airdropped on an island of zombie-puppets, do you REALLY think a card reader is gonna stop us from getting gas from a gas station that has old fashioned Russian style pumps and is unsupervised? Give the character a bobby pin, 2 pieces of gum and a crowbar... gonna get free gas.

[Awkwardmancer]

Not game breaking, but definitely immersion breaking. I go to a specific POI (gas station) hoping to find specific loot there (gas), after clearing off a bunch of zombies and a laughing boy or two I.. what - whip out my debit card and buy my loot? Will I need to pay the same for bricks on the brick plant next? Gravel in the quarry? Should I swipe to open gun lockers at the police station or marine base? I know whom I pay at the trader outpost, but who's stopping me from going inside the gas station and activating the pump for free? The zombie I just killed? We are here to pretend we are edgy criminal scum, not bloody tax paying citizens - leave the car juice alone, ffs.

[oynlengeymer]

Originally posted by macfire19:

Not only that, but every gas station is always surrounded by a lot of zombies. So you already sorta pay to get gas by having to damage your gear killing zombies for it lol
Although, it's not super weird to pay...but considering we are criminals and there's nobody who runs the gas station, there's not a real reason anybody would pay in such a scenario. Abandoned gas station, zombies everywhere, and the exiled criminal says "I need to pull out my credit card. It's the right thing to do."

I guess think of it as card system, like automated store checkouts, you choose amount of gas, swipe card and enter pin, when payment is successful, the pump distributes the chosen amount of gas

One example but found a few of how its already a real world thing.

https://psenergy.com/fuel-management/unattended-fuel-outlets/

[Jolie Rouge]

I think it's only fair to pay for gas. I mean, everyone is screaming about getting a car and they seem to have enough cash to run to a trader and spend it on gear by the thousands, but then they don't want to spend cash on gas, but they seem to have enough.

And what's the car used for? To get to another base, raid it and carry away the loot.
I'd guess they sell what they don't need, so that's more cash, more than they'll ever need.
And if they don't want to pay they can loot towns and villages for gas cans.

Oh, I forgot, it's all "no items found" on vanilla.

[Tadecious D]

Originally posted by Jolie Rouge:

I think it's only fair to pay for gas. I mean, everyone is screaming about getting a car and they seem to have enough cash to run to a trader and spend it on gear by the thousands, but then they don't want to spend cash on gas, but they seem to have enough.

And what's the car used for? To get to another base, raid it and carry away the loot.
I'd guess they sell what they don't need, so that's more cash, more than they'll ever need.
And if they don't want to pay they can loot towns and villages for gas cans.

Oh, I forgot, it's all "no items found" on vanilla.

Again and again... not a problem of paying for gas... the problem is how we are forced to pay for gas. Immersion breaking, absurd way of paying... (probably) wanting people to camp the stations and forcing PVP down our throats.

[MeanStreak]

Originally posted by Tadecious D:

Originally posted by Jolie Rouge:

I think it's only fair to pay for gas. I mean, everyone is screaming about getting a car and they seem to have enough cash to run to a trader and spend it on gear by the thousands, but then they don't want to spend cash on gas, but they seem to have enough.

And what's the car used for? To get to another base, raid it and carry away the loot.
I'd guess they sell what they don't need, so that's more cash, more than they'll ever need.
And if they don't want to pay they can loot towns and villages for gas cans.

Oh, I forgot, it's all "no items found" on vanilla.

Again and again... not a problem of paying for gas... the problem is how we are forced to pay for gas. Immersion breaking, absurd way of paying... (probably) wanting people to camp the stations and forcing PVP down our throats.

and people aren't camping the traders? Or bunkers? lol

[Arthur_Dent]

Originally posted by MeanStreak:

Originally posted by Tadecious D:

Again and again... not a problem of paying for gas... the problem is how we are forced to pay for gas. Immersion breaking, absurd way of paying... (probably) wanting people to camp the stations and forcing PVP down our throats.

and people aren't camping the traders? Or bunkers? lol

And yet you still don't get it. Reading comprehension is so hard these days.

[MeanStreak]

Originally posted by Arthur_Dent:

Originally posted by MeanStreak:

and people aren't camping the traders? Or bunkers? lol

And yet you still don't get it. Reading comprehension is so hard these days.

Right? I would say the same for you. But oh I do. Seems a lot of players are only afraid of losing their credit cards or another very common issue is that people just don't like change and have a very hard time adapting to change.
Either way, I think it was a very good decision. Like I said before, most things devs implement in the game are with the official servers in mind, not private PVE servers (which they have said themselves) which again I don't understand why it's a problem for those of you playing on a PVE server - you have nothing to fear on a PVE server.

This also helps with the fact that a lot of players destroy their cards as soon as they can to not have them on their person - to avoid getting robbed. Only time they'll ever need them are when they go to the traders and they can safely just get a replacement card for the one they destroyed - do their business and destroy it again - all while being totally safe.
Although i'm personally no longer much into PvP or raiding for that matter, I do understand that driving around, scouting bases or players with endless access to fuel, and having their bank accounts and cards safe while doing so was probably not intended.