Its really easy to kill people / get killed

[SadSquidward]

I watched Eroktics video the other day about AKM - AK47 damage and i have some stats.
link here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ac7Du7uww0&t=162s

These stats are based on AKM - AK47

Lower arm - 32 damage
lower leg -32 damage
upper arm -64 damage
upper leg - 64 damage
chest - 100 damage
stomach - 100 damage

with military vest these are the stats

Lower arm - 32 damage
lower leg -32 damage
upper arm -64 damage
upper leg - 64 damage
chest - 28 or 100 damage (depends on where you hit)
stomach - 28 damage

Now based on the stats its pretty easy to see whats the problem , no matter if you wear vest or not you still take a lot of damage at the arms and the legs (vest covers 50% of the body)

I think the damage should remain the same , but maybe we could have some protection for the arm that reduces the damage that the character takes , the bullet still goes threw but it has less power. maybe the stats can go from

Lower arm - 32 damage
lower leg -32 damage
upper arm -64 damage
upper leg - 64 damage

Lower arm - 20 damage
lower leg - 20 damage
upper arm - 40 damage
upper leg - 40 damage

When somebody sprays you down its still easy to kil you with the new stats , he needs 3 - 4 AK shots compared to the old stats its 2 shots and thats considering you have vest

Now the armor is only meant for arms and-or legs. Each part should be crafted one by one (upper leg armor , lower arm armor etc)
i had some ideas in mind like :

Leather + Wood armor :reduces melee and arrow damage to hands and legs (helps with swiming too xd)
https://apolishgranddaughter.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/bracers-006.jpg
https://www.warclad.com/files/images/product/leather_arm_armor-2.jpg


miitary armor : reduces Arrow - Pistol - Rifle damage to hands and legs (Imagine its military and not metal i couldnt find any xd)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fe/44/7d/fe447d51d701e581081eb82c73486324.jpg
https://armstreet.com/catalogue/full/stainless-functional-gothic-leg-legs-armor-with-greaves-set-6.jpg

I know it might be a bit unrealistic but no matter how you see it its not fun to die with only 2 - 3 shots from full health with a military vest . At least thats my opinion. The pictures i linked are not the best examples but they probably gave you an idea

I dont know what you think about this , please tell me in the comments .
THIS IS JUST AN IDEA , maybe its stupid maybe its not , but i think it adds up well to the survival gameplay.

[fatesdeath]

if you want to play COD where it takes 10 shots to kill someone be my guest but i wont be happy if it takes more than 2-3 shots to kill someone

[Minos]

Originally posted by fatesdeath:

if you want to play COD where it takes 10 shots to kill someone be my guest but i wont be happy if it takes more than 2-3 shots to kill someone

+1

[MILO]

Originally posted by Sad Squidward:

I know it might be a bit unrealistic but no matter how you see it its not fun to die with only 2 - 3 shots from full health with a military vest . At least thats my opinion. The pictures i linked are not the best examples but they probably gave you an idea

I dont know what you think about this , please tell me in the comments .
THIS IS JUST AN IDEA , maybe its stupid maybe its not , but i think it adds up well to the survival gameplay.

And in fact you dont die with 2-3 bullets in SCUM, sometimes not even with 20...

This video, diversely from that old Eroktic one (where are you f...ing Croat, scum need you) is from the last version (look end of video).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5RGutbqBcQ
As you can see it depends what weapon/vest is involved.

In this case I think that those, at least 20, bullets (9mm) on the neck of that guy should have been kill him, even with that black vests (a middle ranked one).

Conversely, he killed me with that first AK shot that hit me, and this has been fair (but he should have been died in the first place)

[Famous]

The video is old, the devs boosted armor, but said they believe its over powered and will nerf it in one of my posts a month ago when i mentioned the following:

I dumped a full mag of val into 2 different guys wearing armor at near point blank range and they survived.


Dumped a full mag of mp5 into 2 other guys at close range and they survived


Gave a guy a 10 round burst into armor at point blank range with the m16, he survived.


So now I only carry an ak47 always, everything else is too weak versus armor.



Its good that face shots are one hit, i think helmets should be useless against the svd and kar98 round to 200 meters, that would be great.

[👑KingZer0👑]

So....you want some thin metal/leather to stop an AK round, which is a 7.62mm(.30 cal) round...? That's laughable.

You also want a VEST, to cover your arms, hands and legs? That's called a onesie. lol A vest is there to cover your vital organs. Heart, lungs, innards etc., not your arms or other extremities.

Ok, fun aside. :)

You are looking for something like the IOTV-Improved Outer Tactical Vest(bullet proof vest for the laymens) with DAPs-Deltoid Axillary Protector.

The thing about DAPs though, is they aren't meant for actual rounds(although they will stop a 9mm @~30m), they are for just shrapnel. They are kinda like the old school FLAK vests/jackets the Vietnam guys wore. Except they(DAPs) cover your shoulders to your elbow,
your neck(top parts) and the other part covers your groin and rear-end. Kinda like a football players shoulder pads and jockstrap.

In all actuality, an IOTV with plates can only take about 2-3 7.62mm rounds before it becomes useless as it breaks the ceramic and kevlar down with each hit. And with each hit, you feel it more and more. So being killed on the 3-4 round...totally legit, sorry.

The thing is though, in real life, you have 'one offs'. Meaning-things won't happen the way you want. To many things to take account when it come's to bullets. Weather, dampness, pressure, humidity, grain count, dry powder in the round, wind, temperature, N/S hemisphere...all would take a toll on what you are shooting with, and what you are shooting at.

We also know heat makes things expand. So on a hot day, most rounds will travel faster, because there is more pressure in the case. Maybe one round has less gunpowder than another, that would make it travel a little bit slower. This also means, on a hot day, what you are shooting at, could also be weaker cause of expansion.(this is a game, so only certain things can happen due to lack of processing power, I know)

Unlike people, not every round is equal.

More armor would be cool, but as long as they take in account weight and mobility. A full kit(IOTV w/ DAPs, ammo and all the stuff you need) weighs 80+lbs depending on your load. With that, you aren't moving far, fast.

Oh, and make sure you bring water. lol

Side note-the ONLY game I have ever seen an IOTV w/ DAPs, is ARMA3.(best game ever lol)

Is this what you're looking for OP? :)

[Scooty]

I personally like low hits to kill it. I also like when armor does the job it's supposed to. I prefer realistic run speed games with heavy body inertia and virtually no drop shotting.

[swineninety9]

It seems to me that 1 shot from a rifle kills you without armor. Might be a bit high, maybe make it 2 shots to the body for a kill without armor, so if you come under sniper fire you have a chance to get away. With Armor 3-4 body shots is good, although if its a metal plate carrier technically you could shoot it over and over and not get penetration IRL, that might make a bad game mechanic. Helmet should give you at least 2 shots to the head to kill.

I think the biggest improvement would be making the "stab proof vest" actually level IIIa Kevlar, able to take several (4-5) small arms (9mm, .357, .50, .22) and shotgun hits. Otherwise the vest is only good against puppets. Pretty much everyone has guns by the time you get to an area where you can get a stab proof vest, making it a moot point to wear.

A level IIIa armor can actually sometimes stop .556 and 7.62 if the shot comes from over 500 -1000 yards because the velocity drops off dramatically after 500-600 yards. Its the bullets velocity that cuts through soft body armor.

[teajay]

SCUM should be a game where you die in just a few hits or become at least mortally wounded. Even a "bullet proof vest" should protect you from that few extra hits before you die, not to tank a clip full of shots.

[SadSquidward]

Originally posted by MILO:

Originally posted by Sad Squidward:

I know it might be a bit unrealistic but no matter how you see it its not fun to die with only 2 - 3 shots from full health with a military vest . At least thats my opinion. The pictures i linked are not the best examples but they probably gave you an idea

I dont know what you think about this , please tell me in the comments .
THIS IS JUST AN IDEA , maybe its stupid maybe its not , but i think it adds up well to the survival gameplay.

And in fact you dont die with 2-3 bullets in SCUM, sometimes not even with 20...

This video, diversely from that old Eroktic one (where are you f...ing Croat, scum need you) is from the last version (look end of video).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5RGutbqBcQ
As you can see it depends what weapon/vest is involved.

In this case I think that those, at least 20, bullets (9mm) on the neck of that guy should have been kill him, even with that black vests (a middle ranked one).

Conversely, he killed me with that first AK shot that hit me, and this has been fair (but he should have been died in the first place)

Yeah and thats the big problem , this happened to me too 1 week ago actually with the mp5 , the problem is that you need 30 bullets to kill someone in the vest but if he had hit 5 shots in the leg then the guy would be dead

[Scar]

Originally posted by Faustus:

Originally posted by fatesdeath:

if you want to play COD where it takes 10 shots to kill someone be my guest but i wont be happy if it takes more than 2-3 shots to kill someone

+1

i mean in cod it takes like 7, but thats why i used to play cod hardcore.

but if you get shot in real life your going to die easy