Server Owners Making Money From Players

[morphlex]

I've seen enough of this to know it's rampant. Many "custom" servers are taking real money so that players can pay to play/win. They have full on subscriptions going on where as long as they pay X every month they are guaranteed certain items every day, week, or month. It could be weapons, gear sets, vehicles and more. Some pay just to be on the reserve list (VIP) so that when the server is full they can still connect. They say it is a donation but I have a feeling it's beyond that. Profit is being made on the backs of the developers and g-portal which is uncool and possibly illegal. This kind of activity needs to be shut down.

[Rücklicht]

Originally posted by morphlex:

Originally posted by Siamese:

To be 100% clear, i don't support this practice at all. I'm just saying vote with your feet. If people want to play on a pay to win server just let them do it and go elsewhere don't complain here.

I'll post what I feel and if that is a complaint, so be it. This subject needs some light shed on it.

You both are right. On the one hand customers should always vote with their feet on the other hand the orginator has the right to stop other customers from misusing his content in a way that sheds wrong/bad light on it. I think even in Croatia there are copyright laws.

[Priest]

I suggest to forget the "Law" side of this topic, make not much sense to be forced to sue every single server that break rules. (Sure it can be done, but nah!)

Instead make 2 Checkboxes in the serverlist
Checkbox [1]: Show server with Fees and/or ingameshops.
Checkbox [2]: Show only Official server and server applying "Scums fairplay rules" (You the Devs would need to definate)

maybe a third
Checkbox [3]: Show moddefied servers

Its not about alowing or forbidding, just about offering informations to the player he can decide what he want.

(Btw, you can add a additional checkbox that cant be set by the serverowner,
Unchecked by default
Checkbox [X]: Show servers that broke our rules)

[Faustus]

Originally posted by Bunny:

What DreeMax said pretty much sums it all up. It's a private server and we have nothing to do with it, you can try contacting G-Portal since they're renting the servers and maybe it goes against their rules of conduct.

It doesn't. I have checked it some time ago. It is actually on your part but atm legal because you don't prohibit it via terms of use etc wich is a standard part of terms of use for online games but since you don't have terms of use it's allowed ^^

I don't actually care. Just want to throw in that you can disallow trading of digital good's because all virtual item's are property of gamepires. Not of G-Portal.

[Dyerektor]

Originally posted by morphlex:

I've seen enough of this to know it's rampant. Many "custom" servers are taking real money so that players can pay to play/win. They have full on subscriptions going on where as long as they pay X every month they are guaranteed certain items every day, week, or month. It could be weapons, gear sets, vehicles and more. Some pay just to be on the reserve list (VIP) so that when the server is full they can still connect. They say it is a donation but I have a feeling it's beyond that. Profit is being made on the backs of the developers and g-portal which is uncool and possibly illegal. This kind of activity needs to be shut down.

tbh personally idk if it's a legal or morale issue, but either way it sucks and the people that pay for such privileges are being taken for suckers!

I do recall a standalone site many months ago now (although i cant remember the name of it) selling many, many in game items for real $ (some long term Scum players will know/remember that site) which disappeared idk if it was taken down by the Devs, G-portal or they just closed it down voluntary, or due to legal issues etc but it was ran to coincide with a private server

imo such thing go against everything gaming is about and it's exploitation why even bother playing the game if your gonna pay for privileges?

Remember folks You's don't know who is actually run these things and sure they are doing it with other games and servers too so if your happy parting with bank details etc and get screwed over then noone is gonna refund You and you can't go crying to the Dev's or G-portal that you got screwed over.

[Cinch McCoy]

I have a server and if you give me 100 bucks you win and escape the island -- game over. then if you want to reroll and give me another 100 we can do it again lol

[MuteOne1]

Originally posted by Cinch Mccoy:

I have a server and if you give me 100 bucks you win and escape the island -- game over. then if you want to reroll and give me another 100 we can do it again lol

I like your buiseness plan. Care to take on investors.

[Dyerektor]

Originally posted by Cinch Mccoy:

I have a server and if you give me 100 bucks you win and escape the island -- game over. then if you want to reroll and give me another 100 we can do it again lol

Donkey!

[Scooty]

The Quartering here we come!

[Scooty]

Originally posted by Bunny:

What DreeMax said pretty much sums it all up. It's a private server and we have nothing to do with it, you can try contacting G-Portal since they're renting the servers and maybe it goes against their rules of conduct.

Right but you can see where a lot of people here think that because well, it's your game, that you should be able to stop it. I think if you just exhonerated yourselves by saying "we cant do anything about it" then people could stop half thinking that you could and just choose not to.

[Scooty]

And as far as PTW scams go I think Dremax is right that PC gamers still do resist and react negatively. And as the epicenter for technological videogame evolution you can treat it as a bellweather for the rest of the industry.

In short many like their wallet to win for them but none likes for someone else's wallet to beat them. At most I think you can "not mind", and that's probably as a reasoning element because your prospectively engaging in the same behavior. The key difference in most being the direct competition element.

[Socom5.0]

So far after reading all the comments not many seem to understand this is a survival game having everything at the start takes away the purpose of the game and your actually useing a game companies game to make profit of it... and don't give me that crap about how it cost a lot to have a server you can literally have a decent server running with 20 to 100 slots and it only cost about 30-60 dollars. if you cant make that money on your own you have no business running a cash cow server to make a profit off a game that isn't your own creation. it may be your server but its not your Game creation. this kind of thing happened with WOW a while back as well this game is not even finished and you want to make a profit off others ? bah get a damn job. don't steal other peoples hard work just so you can make money from giving something you shouldn't. Cause basically your stealing from the game DEVs.

[Priest]

Ehm, stealing ?
The Devs make money by selling Clients and maybe later DLC´s
They make ZERO money by people playing on official servers.

If people ask for money because it cost money to offer a server, let them.
It sounds as if you really believe people woule make thousands of Dollars only by offering a server. The reality is that most servers could be happy if they would yield the costs.

Besides that, its not just the servercosts. What do you thing is a 24/7 monitoring of a server worth ?


If you dont like pay to win, play on a server that not offer such things. Like we others do too.

[Socom5.0]

monitoring of a server doesnt cost there server owner a dime unless he wants to do so on his own and only if he wants to pay even still cost nothing most people would gladly be on a server as an admin if it was something they could do to make others experience better you dont have to pay for that thats only if your planing to make money off the server. and as i said if you take someone elses creation and make money off it your profiting off something that does not belong to you. also if the earlier mentioned statement was even true

"Ifr i want to pay an extra $50 per week for unlimited ammo/gear and vehicles and some1 to make/keep my base stocked whats the problem ?

Ever been to the high roller\VIP area at any casino ? Same principle, exact same games just a different level of service/expectation"

underlineing the fact its 50$ imagine if that server per WEEK was making 50$ times X amount of people. if the server had a high population how much do you think that server owner is makeing per month if said service was provided at that cost per person per week ? and say there was 20 people useing said service ?pretty much just paid for the monthly service of the server and a quite a bit of profit. don't try to spin the reality of it. you pretty much paid for the game a dozen times with that amount you'd be paying each week even if it was 20$ per person its stupid rediculous. the fact remains you should never try to profit off anothers creations unless they specificaly said hey its ok to run a p2w server with our game. otherwise yea your breaching a business laws strictly in place to protect creators for that very reason.

[Priest]

As i said, there should be a rule that ingameshops like that need to be seeable BEFORE you invest serious time on a server.

But besides that, let the people play as they wish, and if people want to play pay to win, let them. Why would you join a server that has rules so far from all you can tolerate ?

[Socom5.0]

if they want to play as they wish they can create there own game under a new name same graphics same design and same type and play as they wish.