Serious question! Is PvP = KoS? Need clarification.

[Jensen]

Whats your opinion?

Example 1 (happened 2 days ago)
I was 5 meters off my camp and on a hunting task with only a hunter 55.
I saw a guy in front of me who was sneaking through the bushes. In the moment i was starting „push to talk“ he turns around and perforate me with his MP5.
(fair enough - itˋs pvp)
I was waiting with my respawn until he was done looting me and moved on.I spawned at my camp and grab my stuff (only a t-shirt and ammo was missing) and went the 5 meters back to my camp.
Boom,headshot from the same guy who was aiming my shed from up the hill.

Example 2 (happened yesterday)
I was running in a group of 3 guys and i was starting to talk. They looked at me and decided to kill me.
(fair enough - it‘s pvp)
After 10 minutes i reached my body to take the rest of my stuff they don‘t needed.
Changed the prisoner clothes and in the moment i was leaving, boom,headshot from the same guy of the group.

I was stupid. The game is all about to kill everything and everbody, no matter what!
-Fresh spawn
-Respawn
-unarmed

I was thinking different so i changed my playstyle.

[Captain]

Yeah it’s KoS same as every other game. There are PvE servers if you’d like though

[Ogami]

Sadly that is the reality nowadays in games like this. Only way to avoid is playing on roleplaying servers or private servers just with friends.
Games like PUBG have pretty much destroyed any kind of communication or roleplaying culture in games with PvP options.
Its kill or be killed, does not matter if you even have a weapon.
Like written above, if you want some interaction with other players that not just are " get shot in face" play on RP or PVE servers.

[Roda]

its KoS all the time just like any other survival games in this genre, try looking for a group or squad in the forums. There are still people who want to band up together. Im playing solo tho not trusting anyone so yea for me the rule is KoS

[Jensen]

The problem with PvE servers is that it is really boring in that game stage. Even with Military areas with PvP settings.

[I Taste Colors]

99% of the time it is KOS because people like me and you who give people a chance and don't KOS get killed for it. So we say ♥♥♥♥ it if you're not in my squad I kill you if you have a weapon. I do not go out of my way to kill bambis and fully geared players who do are a bunch of cowards.

[Jensen]

Okay...Big thanks to you guys! I was still a little bit unsure.

I was reading about the game and watched the pre-streams on twitch but now I recognized that I was just wrong about the gameplay.

[I Taste Colors]

Originally posted by Jensen:

Okay...Big thanks to you guys! I was still a little bit unsure.

I was reading about the game and watched the pre-streams on twitch but now I recognized that I was just wrong about the gameplay.

If you do not want people who KOS find a RP server simple as that. PvE servers are boring. There should still be a risk of getting killed but generally in RP servers as long as you play along you wont get killed unless someone is playing that role but generally RP server players look for entertainment in things other than PvP and KoS is generally forbidden on RP servers but you generally wont get banned if you kill someone during a role play.

To me this sounds like the kind of gameplay you are looking for.

[Magical_JiJii]

The game is disgned that way so you better kill every player you see.
Humans are the most dangerous and cruel creatures on earth.

[Jensen]

Would it make a big difference if KoS Player get a bigger disadvantage? Like Fame points or something...?

[Jensen]

Danger in scum. (From high to low)

1. other players
2. animal wildlife
3. puppets
4. Mechs

[Ogami]

Originally posted by Jensen:

Would it make a big difference if KoS Player get a bigger disadvantage? Like Fame points or something...?

A possible solution would be certain PvP zones on the map, where KOS is expected. And if you kill someone outside those zones you still can but get a red marker on the map for other players to see. For like 10 minutes or so. And if another player manages to kill you in that time they get a big fame point reward.

So for players who just want to hunt other players outside the PvP zones they can still do it but have to live with the risk.

[Sid]

I don't think people are understanding what's going right now with the game

The need for survival is minimalist : Spawn, make the spear, kill a puppet, eat until there's nothing left, go to the nearest military spawn, take clothes and weapons : Boom, you're done, the only danger you can meet is pvp

Until Base fortification, vehicules, medical overhaul, crafting and survival overhaul and npc ennemies are not in the game, being social has no other benefit than being, well, social.

I've tried playing without touching the airfield or the camp bunker for one second on a 40 man server : I've spent 20 hours without meeting anyone, i've been to the dam, to every town in the west, and explore the north completly, without meeting a single person. before stopping at the prison, completly bored after being full geared without trying to.

So to answer the question, right now PvP does equal KoS, and will probably do until PvE becomes the major ennemy.

If you're sick of KoS, there are also RP that minimises the use of PvP.

[BENN-EE5]

That definition is different from server to server and probably from player to play.

PvP means Player versus Player.
KoS means kill on sight.

You can very well play the game with focus on PvP, but you will not shoot everybody on sight. Examples could be players that have little to no visible gear or you see a player in the distance and you decide to avoid him.

[Jensen]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Originally posted by Jensen:

Would it make a big difference if KoS Player get a bigger disadvantage? Like Fame points or something...?

A possible solution would be certain PvP zones on the map, where KOS is expected. And if you kill someone outside those zones you still can but get a red marker on the map for other players to see. For like 10 minutes or so. And if another player manages to kill you in that time they get a big fame point reward.

So for players who just want to hunt other players outside the PvP zones they can still do it but have to live with the risk.

That could be fun to play.
Sounds like a „Wanted-List“ in the Wild West.

[I Taste Colors]

Originally posted by Soltann:

the only danger you can meet is pvp

Its this thought process that makes games like this boring and eventually die. I am willing to bet more casual players leave games like this due to Kos than anything else. Casuals are the majority of the community which will see this game with less than 3k concurrent daily players within 6 months unless a major patch releases.

Before streamers/youtubers like Xcalizorz started playing DayZ Mod getting their cod fanbase into the game KoS was a very small problem. People would actually interact with each other. People would try to troll and trap people. You would end up with amazing interactions that you can't now because people have too short of an attention span and lack of creativity to not LMB everyone they see.