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Everything I've read about Mod's to date indicate that they are a very liberal band, inclined to forgive a lot more than to punish.
I suppose that they could take a stricter view once they investigate an incident, but that seems unlikely.
As for double jeapordy, that is a risk you take.
Double Jeapordy always has been considerd wrong for very good reasons.
Unless you break more rules, or make it clear you intend to break more rules, I can't see a situation where your ban would be increased by appealing.
If you were unhappy with the way your appeal was handled, you should have been referred to an admin or Dev. Can you message me with more information about what happened?
I was not banned. I was simply reading the rules from the "code of conduct" thread under "importaint posts".
https://steamcommunity.com/app/505460/discussions/4/1692659135916097157/
I just wanted to take a look at the rules, and noticed it.
I have never been banned in the game, i was just looking through the dev made threads, and noticed the code of conduct, and read through it, and noticed they mentioned that if you appeal a ban and they view you as clearly breaking the rules, addtional punishments may be enacted.
"". If they find that you are disputing a case where you clearly broke the code of conduct that is shown when you first enter the game (e.g. you team killed numerous times), further punishment may be enforced.""
I would like to request a repeal of that rule based on double jepordy. No person should be put at risk twice for the same crime. (double jepordy it is called) I would think that goes even more so for a ban appeal. So now, if you appeal a ban, and they view you as wrong, they (may) ban you even further. Seems fairly egregious to me and i request a reconsideration of that rule.
Instead, i would propose a "frutless appeal claus", whereas mutiple pointless appeals my enact some sort of punishment, though to be honest, i don't even like that, and it is really just a compromise to allow the devs some extra leway in avoiding too many appeals from the same person.
I can tell you that's not something we've ever enforced, or intend to.
It looks like it was meant to address people who's cases were so one-sided that they only waste moderator's time, like someone who logs on, gasses a town hall, logs off, and then complains when they get kicked.
I honestly can't remember the last time someone like that has tried to appeal anyway. I'll bring it up to the mod team and see if we can get it removed or otherwise clarified, thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Thank you for your consideration.
And yes i do understand they are most likley trying to avoid pointless appeals.
May i suggest instead a "fruitless appeal claus", whereas mutiple pointless appeals my enact some sort of punishment, thus limiting a waste of moderator time in different fashion. This way people are not affraid to appeal bans, but, they know that too many pointless appeals will cause a punishment for wasting time. (Just like in real courts)
first votekick at a mass teamkill for example. other examples include, Continual griefing or teamkilling after your first ban.
but most importantly, out of all bans that get appealed most are a situation that just need de-escalation. so only severe issues will have the ban time lenghtened.
Interesting.
So is it safe to say that you believe that an appeal process should only reduce existing sanctions?
Since when has Double Jeapordy ever been considered anything other then a violation of humans rights?
And yes, if the sanction persons appeals, then the appeals proccess should only be used to reduce such said sanctions. That is what the appeals proccess is for. Not for introducing Double Jeapordy.
In the American legal system, huamns rights protections prevent harsher sanctions from being put on someone when they appeal, in fact Double Jeapordy as a whole is illegal and is a violation of humans rights. While this game is not a court, if they are going to have rules and punishments, then humans rights standerds should be observed. We are paying customers after-all.
While i do not know anything about the vote kick system.... Nor would i complain much if a ban is put on someone for ruining the game, assuming the vote kick is a very short durration and just a temporary ban to stop the imeadiate issue... I still want to express concern about using the appeals proccess as a method to enact Double Jeapordy.
Get up, stand up, don't give up the fight
Therein is the crux.
Foxhole ain't no law court.
Thankfully the devs have a lot more freedom than a court does to pursue their goals for dealing with players.
We are still paying customers. And as one, i wish my human rights to be protected. And also, your statment does not change the Double Jeapordy rule they have as being egregious. It is simply wrong, flat out.
And in most legal systems you get found guilty and appeal , on appeal you can get a more severe sentence if your are guilty ! .....Happens all the time in the legal system