Pathologic 3 - Complete Combat overhaul

[Cannon Fodder]

If nothing changes should a third game come out, except the godforsaken "combat" I would be over the moon.
I strike at people who are still pulling knives out and somehow get slashed, I get hit outside of their visible range. It's absolutely amateur.

[sanityscraps]

open the console and give yourself a shotgun tbh

[Double-D]

As far as I know, for long awaited Bachelor route Ice-Pick decided to ditch the combat completely. At least in that "fight off muggers at night" part.
So don't worry, devs are aware.

[Unseen]

Originally posted by Double-D:

As far as I know, for long awaited Bachelor route Ice-Pick decided to ditch the combat completely. At least in that "fight off muggers at night" part.
So don't worry, devs are aware.

That sounds like garbage and no the combat is not that bad at all.

I really wanna know why people keep lying about this game and dragging it through mud, making claims about it that make no sense then claiming to be fans. Makes no kinda sense.

Claiming this game is uncomfotable, or a miserable game to play, or all this other false nonsense. This is one of my fav games of all time both of them, and its not the things people keep saying it is, its a pure joy to play with amazing atmosphere and storyline.

[Heikai]

Originally posted by Pathoholic:

Claiming this game is uncomfotable, or a miserable game to play, or all this other false nonsense. This is one of my fav games of all time both of them, and its not the things people keep saying it is, its a pure joy to play with amazing atmosphere and storyline.

This I agree with. But I do like the idea of ditching the combat in the Bachelor's campaign. It's important to make the different campaigns play differently. Game design wise it's not interesting to make the players play the same system again which they have already (more or less) solved. Artistically it doesn't make sense for the different characters to play the same. They have different social statuses, world views, goals and methods.

[Cannon Fodder]

Originally posted by Pathoholic:

Originally posted by Double-D:

As far as I know, for long awaited Bachelor route Ice-Pick decided to ditch the combat completely. At least in that "fight off muggers at night" part.
So don't worry, devs are aware.

That sounds like garbage and no the combat is not that bad at all.

I really wanna know why people keep lying about this game and dragging it through mud, making claims about it that make no sense then claiming to be fans. Makes no kinda sense.

Claiming this game is uncomfotable, or a miserable game to play, or all this other false nonsense. This is one of my fav games of all time both of them, and its not the things people keep saying it is, its a pure joy to play with amazing atmosphere and storyline.

Look, I get that it's your favorite game, and of the games i've played in the the last like, 3 to 5 years for me it stands out as one of the most memorable and unique experiences, in both positive and negative ways.

Truth is the combat sucks. Get over it. That doesn't make your precious game bad. For starters, once you're older than 12 you'll learn that just because someone doesn't like one facet of something you like, it doesn't invalidate the thing as a whole...then you'll start learning people don't have to like EVERYTHING you like and your whole world will brighten.

Lastly, the game **IS** MISERABLE AND UNCOMFORTABLE. It was purposely designed to be. Not in the way I mention the combat but in its morality, its conflict, its scenario. You have to make tough decisions, you have to put yourself in terrible positions. Not a lot of games do that. It's not "miserable" in a bad sense. It's a misery like listening to a sad song, or a miserable like watching a tragic movie.

Grow up.

[Jekse]

The combat is pretty realistic, and I've never had problems with being hit outside of range. Send a vid of what's wrong

[Unseen]

Older than 12 really?
Grow up?

Who am I insulting personally? You just keep going with all those insults man most users know they can't do that stuff.

Originally posted by Jekse:

The combat is pretty realistic, and I've never had problems with being hit outside of range. Send a vid of what's wrong

The combat is just fine and super realistic, I think its intense, some battles you know you can't win like guys with multiple knives so you gotta run and duck into a house with people who respect you. While I admit its not soldier of fortune with body mutilation and exploding brains... I think that much violence would be to heavy for pathologic especially since you have the option to home invade and kill innocent people if that's what you choose to do.

It should never be that over the top, pathologic is suppose to be a subtle series.

[Cannon Fodder]

Originally posted by Pathoholic:

Older than 12 really?
Grow up?

Who am I insulting personally? You just keep going with all those insults man most users know they can't do that stuff.

I didn't say you were insulting anyone, just that you're ACTING like you're being insulted by someone taking an issue with one aspect of the game.

It's a fantastic game, I absolutely loved it. But it wasn't perfect, and the part of the game that frustrated me the most that was because it felt off, and that was the combat mechanics.

I don't think you should be a soldier, or that it should be a combat focused game. But when I see an enemies tip of the blade a foot away from me, and it says I get hit, but I stab at them and it's a miss, or when someone is hunched over and I look down and swing at them but my guy swings horizontally and misses, I get a bit miffed. I never felt like the combat worked as it was intended. It provided the feeling it was trying to provide by way of being mechanically uncomfortable instead of just fundamentally dangerous. And that to me feels cheap.

Originally posted by Jekse:

The combat is pretty realistic, and I've never had problems with being hit outside of range. Send a vid of what's wrong

I already played and beat the game, I don't have video. But tell you what, next time I go through it, i'll keep Nvidias replay thing on *just* for you and i'll tag you when I save some clips, because the nonsense was consistent enough that it was bothersome.

[Unseen]

Sometimes it is a miss you know stamina comes into play.

I'm only pointing out you insulted me cause I can't do the same thing, at all, I'm not gonna report anyone in this forum cause I love the series and fans I just disagree with some opinions. I never report people in these horror forums for games like darkwood or path so don't worry about me idc. But you might wanna be careful of other people steam is just like this.

All you'd have to do is edit your post, take our the 12 year old comment, and the grow up, and you wouldn't have to worry at all.

And while I obviously agree with you that the game is suppose to be misserable and uncomfortable in a survival horror kind of way, the same could be said for tomb raider remake. If nobody feels uncomfortable about laura getting groped then murdered by scumbags they should seek therapy. If no one feels uncomfortable about crooks and criminals gunning down innocent members of the public for their thousand dollar automobiles, then I think they are getting the wrong message from media.

This game is about a plague, its horror, yea of course that is an uncomfortable subject. But imo it also shows a lot of good and empathy. The fact that everyone is scrambling to try and stop it and save as many people as they can no matter what is an inspiring thing and more games should have that kind of an angle. An angle where its rewarded and encouraged to help people... Its actually quite a beautiful thing in gaming and quite rare.

[Cannon Fodder]

Originally posted by Pathoholic:

And while I obviously agree with you that the game is suppose to be misserable and uncomfortable in a survival horror kind of way.

This you?

Originally posted by Pathoholic:

I really wanna know why people keep lying about this game and dragging it through mud, making claims about it that make no sense then claiming to be fans...
Claiming this game is uncomfotable, or a miserable game to play, or all this other false nonsense.

[Unseen]

I stand by what I say in the context of a survival horror game its anything but miserable or uncomfortable. While there are bad choices you can also make pure choices as well. Altho the abbaitor wasn't my fav part in the game.

Here is my question cannon what makes GTA a game where you are rewarded for killing innocent people any more comfortable in the minds of mainstream gamers?

[Cannon Fodder]

Originally posted by Pathoholic:

I stand by what I say in the context of a survival horror game its anything but miserable or uncomfortable. While there are bad choices you can also make pure choices as well. Altho the abbaitor wasn't my fav part in the game.

Here is my question cannon what makes GTA a game where you are rewarded for killing innocent people any more comfortable in the minds of mainstream gamers?

If you want to have a discussion on the philosophy of gaming, start your own thread for it. Don't hijack someone else's.

This post was about the necessity for a rework on the combat and animations should there be a third game, and honestly i'm bored of fighting with you since you clearly don't understand that someone can enjoy and like a game, but want to see it improved
So move on. I'm unfollowing this thread, i have other things to do.

[Unseen]

Ya know what, what the hell ever man don't post a thread if you don't want someone elses thoughts.

I've unsubed many threads on this forum welcome to the club.

[TopPerson]

Honestly, I feel like the poor animations and the lackluster AI are the main culprits in making combat unenjoyable. Even on your viewmodel hands (for example when raising them to a guard during a fight), it feels like the animations were made at a low framerate. It's very annoying and makes the whole thing feel sluggish.
Investing a bit more into animation and AI's behavior in combat would improve this game by miles.
That and optimization, but that's another topic.

[East]

For me, if combat was good or enjoyable, I would fight every NPC to the death. Turning the game into KENSHI while doing so.