Tasks for Great Britain DLC after London 100k Task

[Dray Prescot]

I am trying to find a list of the Tasks that come up in the Great Britain DLC main scenario (1830 to 1850) after you finish the 100 k population in London Task. I am about to start working on this particular Task and having some idea of the Tasks that come after this one could influence what Cities I connect to London and the Industries that I put in those Cities.

Without any idea of what comes after this task, I have come up with a plan as to what Industries I put in the accessible Cities nearby London in order to supply all of the demands for manufactured goods through Eel Pie which comes at 80K population. But if I knew what was coming next, I could change those plans now instead of later.

My current date is August 1832 with all gold ticks on tasks so far, and I am just starting to build the Station and track network connecting to London and nearby.

A screenshot of a later task list would be ideal and greatly appreciated. I have tried to search the discussions without a lot of success. Or a reference to a Wiki entry (or something similar) that had the information that I am looking for.

[Thineboot]

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[Dray Prescot]

Thank you.

The only problem is that the three AI Player Companies are not really there on the Map. They only seem to exist so that I can steal Tech from them with Spies. They also do not seem to be growing at all. I have been assuming that I can not even buy their stock yet, that it will only unlock at some future stage of the scenario, perhaps at the same time that they finally appear on the map.

[Thineboot]

IIRC they start in Plymouth, Glasgow, and Belfast. In my playthrough their oldest stations date back to 1833.

Edited by Doc Brown ;)

[Dray Prescot]

Well, I am not yet in 1833. (you have a typo where you said 1933, I assume that you mean 1833). Also ALL of those start Cities for my competitors are in areas that are CLOSED to me. My guess/assumption would be that those areas (or most of them) will open to me when I satisfy the London 100k task, which will take TIME to get the growth needed even after I get the Stations and Tracks built to deliver the resources and goods, plus grow the other Cities to the point where I can build the additional Industries and grow the resource sites. A promoter or two would help with London, IF I get lucky to get them. (Looking back, MAYBE I should have used the ONE promoter that I have had so far on London instead of Manchester, but I needed it to get started sooner on the 60 Tweed Task, but I think that I made the right choice).

It is useful to know about the number and size of large Cities that I have to get to for the late Tasks. It also helps to know about Glasgow and Edinburg Tasks, although I still have no access that far North (yet). It is nice to know that I do not have to expand into Ireland.

It is mostly a question of how fast can I raise the capital (money) to do those Tasks. While I am waiting for London to grow I can get ready for the new Tasks, particularly in growing the Cities and resources and Industries that I DO have access to.

I am in mid August 1832 when I am starting on the London Task, i.e. when I got access to London. My net worth is a little over 9 million and my cash on hand is 562k, plus I should be able to refinance my old Bonds to larger amounts. I think that going from net worth of about 1 million to 9 million in 2 years and 8 months is pretty good, and will be hard to make substantial improvements on. Things in the early Scenario are very tightly constrained by geographic limits, in resource production rates and city demand rates, and the growth of them. There is still room for the variability in new employees that offer their services, and Spy results.

It takes the 60 Tweed Task (started by me in Oct 1830) followed by the 800 Freight Car Task (started by me in Oct 1831) to get to this point and both of them require a fair amount of time (and money) to accomplish. I am sure that a few months might be gained on either of them, but it will be most likely some date in 1832 (or later) when the London area opens to player Station and Track building. (I had to delete some incorrect analysis after reviewing my saved games). Perhaps with extreme effort and luck it might happen in late 1831.

[Duff]

I'm working on this one right now. At 90k you'll see the AI show up on the board. Then at 100k you have access to their stocks.

I had a pretty strong 10mil profit per quarter when I hit that 100k so I figured it would be easy mode to buy out the AI since they only had a couple stations each. However, even with only a could stations they all started with a 60-70 million valued company so all of their buyouts are over 100 million pounds.

[Dray Prescot]

So Duff, it was the 90k and 100k populations in London that triggered when the AI Companies started operating and when you could buy their Sock, rather than a particular date such the beginning of 1833. That is interesting to know.

So how long did it take for your London to grow to 90k and 100k? Depending on whether or not any Promoters become available, I expect that it may take on the order of two years or more to grow that much.

I am not playing the DLCs in order, so I have already played the Germany DLC and Scenario, and I remember that the stock value and supposed Book value of the AI Companies seemed to be a LOT more than the value of their assets.

[mbutton15]

Looking at some of my saves:
Feb '35 - Scotland opens up (Those tasks were really easy).
AI stock values at that time were £20.1m, £18.5m and £17.8m
[EDIT £20.1 became £30m to buy all shares and £17.8 was £25m. I'd already bought the shares of the £18.5m company on that save.]

Oct '35 - Only 1 AI competitor was left. Company value £20.6m (only £0.5m growth)
I still needed 6 more 60k cities and 3 more 120k cities.

Jul '37 - All Done. All Gold.

I just let the game run and watched Birmingham grow from 78k to 90k in just over 2 months, so around 5k growth a year. That was literally just letting the game run and watching the Birmingham stats. It had 63%-67% fulfilment during that whole time. So that might give an idea on how long London should take to go 90k to 100k.

[Duff]

I don't know exactly how long it took. I loaded a couple of my previous saves though.

June 18th, 1834 - 59454
November 5th, 1834 - 85817

Before connecting London I built up mid England a bit and stockpiled some money since I had some time to still get the gold check mark.

I did tweed in London as soon as it was available and was able to get planks going in Oxford, clothing in Cambridge, and Whiskey in Northampton. I had a warehouse touching London that was taking in apples and sheep's wool. When London was at 90k I built a paper mill and fed it logs as well.

I don't know how mbuttons AI's were so weak. As soon as mine popped up they all had company values over 60 million and as soon as I could buy shares of them they were all over 100 million buyout. I literally choked them out by putting 2 stations in every city but it didn't matter since they started with massive company sizes.

Edit: Also never had a promoter which would have probably made it faster.

[Dray Prescot]

Well it is a year later, Sep 1833, London is up to 60K population with no sign yet of the AI companies. I think that I can get London over 90 k and 100k in less than another year's time. NO promoters so far to speed it up. I am up to close to 2.4 to 2.5 million in net income per quarter.

I Have pushed my net value from 9 million to 24 million and just upgraded all of my trains to Fireflys and have bought a number of industries and resources and/or expanded old ones. I have not seen the impact of the Firefly engines on my income yet.

My only Promoter was back in the 1st half of 1830, and I used him to grow Manchester a lot faster, so I could have the Tweed Industry in Manchester, relatively closer to the Wool resources sites than my other Cities. In theory, I could have used that very early Promoter on London, in practice, I needed to grow Manchester.

[mbutton15]

Originally posted by Duff:

I don't know how mbuttons AI's were so weak. As soon as mine popped up they all had company values over 60 million and as soon as I could buy shares of them they were all over 100 million buyout.

I was running a legacy version, which at the time would have been 1.10.0.24863
Not sure that should make a difference. But then they somehow managed to break city deliveries to warehouses in the 1.12 release. So who knows what else got messed up altered behind the scenes !!

Duff's June to November population growth figures is similar to the 5k monthly growth I mentioned which suggests growing 60k to 100k in a year is easily achievable.

[Thineboot]

As Duff said, competition shows up when special conditions are met. 90k and 100k seem reasonable as it sounds ok.
Their stock value depend on you stock value. That was reported at least in one thread and it sounds reasonable, too.

[Duff]

Originally posted by Thineboot:

Their stock value depend on you stock value. That was reported at least in one thread and it sounds reasonable, too.

Maybe I shouldn't have sat around building up as much as I did then. Like I said, they were mammoths when they popped up.

[Thineboot]

I won't run a test to proof it but I'd say it's still better to raise your own stock value. Buyout wasn't a thing, I had to add the optional task afterwards as it never showed up when there was no competition left.

[mbutton15]

Originally posted by Duff:

I don't know how mbuttons AI's were so weak.

Just how much expansion had the AI companies made in your games ?

For me there was very little expansion at all. In fact, only Doc in Scotland seemed to have made any expansion has he had the grand total of THREE city stations (Dumfries, Glasgow and Newcastle) !! I hadn't done anything to block him, either, as all of Scotland and Ireland were completely open to him.

[Duff]

Doc had 3 and the other 2 AI only had 2. Like I said, as soon as they spawned in they had a huge company value before they even did anything.