Mysterious Wandering Trader stop showing up

[Karley]

I started new community in Trumbull Valley couple of weeks ago to get the haven device. And around last weekend(10 to 13) met a single mysterious wandering trader. After then, I never had time for long play(take 3hours), lots storylines are done and going on(too many enclaves), so I didn't wonder that they never showed up during week. Friday night is the time I felt something was wrong. I found some guide using Builder legacy mission to fill up maximum 12 community members and rolled my dice till Saturday morning and MWT never showed up. I know I already wrote about storylines and too many enclaves thingy but I always wiping out all the enclaves before looting all points, which was the case for this community at that moment. But, I made this community for Cascade Hills anyway, and few hours after moving rare skills trader showed up, so I relieved. And no MWT for rest of weekend.
There was two strange things. First one is at the TV, characters I kicked out from community with Builder LM thingy was gathered in one spot, all of them as a enclave. The name is vague, but I couldn't threaten them though I was able to trade with them. Second is at CH. I was encountered several generic npcs of scattered survivors without any quest. And they were prevent me interacting with outposts as if they owned those buildings. Even more, I was able to interact with them, and when I choose threaten them, the quest occurred, like get my ass out of there before the fight begins kind of.
Did I do something wrong? Builder legacy thingy have caused this?

[Philthy]

you might have too many communities on the map. when there are too many, the trader doesnt spawn

[Diarmuhnd]

Yarp, stuff stops happening if you have the Bounty Broker and 15 active Enclaves. No new enclaves, missions or wandering traders. Though some have said your still supposed to get new missions, but that wasn't my experience playing the WinStore version.

You have to get rid of some of them to make them start spawning again.

[Stardustfire]

the mysterious trader isnt a given, he only has a chance to spawn at a weekend, he isnt forced to.
got complete month where i dont seen him on weekends, and when i see him its only onetimes per weekend at best since around 4 patches ago.
mostly i get the useless trumbul trader instead.
and the book seller is nearly a myth, thast how scarse i see him.

this 3 share the same spawnslot

[happyscrub]

bugs are common with too many enclaves.

[X]

Its not a bug and the best thing to do is go to a new map and do not call for new enclave, just let them show up on there own.

When I start a new game I start in Drucker County until I get 12 members and have moved into the Barricaded Strip Mall, searching all over for any books and mods that I can find.
Buying all mods from trader and after everything slows down to a craw I will move on to Trumbull Valley.
By this time I have enough to move into the Farmland Compound and do the story until I get the Haven Device.
With not calling for new enclave's I generally get 2-3 special traders during my 6-8 hours of play.
Once it stops spawning in enclaves and I don't see any more special traders I will move back to Drucker County and back into the Barricaded Strip Mall and rinse and repeat.

After completing all the leaders I never promote them anymore because I no longer need to and it works for me.
No need to promote leaders once you have them all unlocked.

[happyscrub]

Originally posted by X:

Its not a bug and the best thing to do is go to a new map and do not call for new enclave, just let them show up on there own.

It's 100% a bug, but not important enough to fix. But too many enclaves have even prevented leader missions from spawning before. It's a very old issue

[Morbidius]

Originally posted by happyscrub:

Originally posted by X:

Its not a bug and the best thing to do is go to a new map and do not call for new enclave, just let them show up on there own.

It's 100% a bug, but not important enough to fix. But too many enclaves have even prevented leader missions from spawning before. It's a very old issue

It's 100% not a bug. I don't know exactly where the limit goes if it's 15 or 16. But If you have 15 or 16 enclaves and the Bounty Broker on the map then you won't get any missions and there won't be any traders. Since Undead Labs tied stuff like traders and missions together with the number of enclaves when they designed the game and wrote the code.

So it's not a bug the issue is more that people doesn't know about that system and Undead Labs are not explaining it for you either.

What you need to do if no missions or traders pop up is reduce the number of enclaves you have. Myself I avoid Trumbull Valley since there already are special enclaves on that map. And I also try to not have more then 9 enclaves in total on the map. If I have more I recruit a member and then exile that new member from my community or I make the enclave hostile and kill them or if you play on a high enough difficulty (Lethal) you can make noise and have zombies and freaks kill the enclave for you (maybe works on nightmare also, not sure).

And if you are a bit below the max amount of enclaves that you can have on a map. normal missions, traders, and leader missions will spawn with no problem.

And finally even if you are not at max amount of enclaves and traders are spawning in. You are not guaranteed to get a Mysterious Wandering Trader. It's just random if that trader shows up or not during friday - monday. I have been playing for 5 hours straight and having loads of other traders show up but not seing the mysterious wandering trader. And I have played for 15 minutes and had the mysterious wandering trader show up.

[happyscrub]

Originally posted by Morbidius:

Since Undead Labs tied stuff like traders and missions together with the number of enclaves when they designed the game and wrote the code.

So it's not a bug the issue is more that people doesn't know about that system and Undead Labs are not explaining it for you either..

I don't understand your logic. That's not a game design. Game design is something the devs want you to do. They don't want you to get rid of an enclave to spawn a mission. What makes your believe that? There's not one dev post ever saying, "Yeah, it's intended to not spawn because it's intended for you to get rid of enclaves"

[Brian]

He shows up on Mondays, according to Joe.

[Xuhybrid]

Originally posted by Morbidius:

Originally posted by happyscrub:

It's 100% a bug, but not important enough to fix. But too many enclaves have even prevented leader missions from spawning before. It's a very old issue

It's 100% not a bug. I don't know exactly where the limit goes if it's 15 or 16. But If you have 15 or 16 enclaves and the Bounty Broker on the map then you won't get any missions and there won't be any traders. Since Undead Labs tied stuff like traders and missions together with the number of enclaves when they designed the game and wrote the code.

So it's not a bug the issue is more that people doesn't know about that system and Undead Labs are not explaining it for you either.

What you need to do if no missions or traders pop up is reduce the number of enclaves you have. Myself I avoid Trumbull Valley since there already are special enclaves on that map. And I also try to not have more then 9 enclaves in total on the map. If I have more I recruit a member and then exile that new member from my community or I make the enclave hostile and kill them or if you play on a high enough difficulty (Lethal) you can make noise and have zombies and freaks kill the enclave for you (maybe works on nightmare also, not sure).

And if you are a bit below the max amount of enclaves that you can have on a map. normal missions, traders, and leader missions will spawn with no problem.

And finally even if you are not at max amount of enclaves and traders are spawning in. You are not guaranteed to get a Mysterious Wandering Trader. It's just random if that trader shows up or not during friday - monday. I have been playing for 5 hours straight and having loads of other traders show up but not seing the mysterious wandering trader. And I have played for 15 minutes and had the mysterious wandering trader show up.

I would still classify this as a bug because traders shouldn't share the same group as enclaves. If there's a cap of 16 including broker then the cap should be 13 enclaves, broker and two traders. Having enclaves block special traders is a bug imo.

[Stardustfire]

its bad programming to not overburden the poor xbox and turn into spontan combustion, not a bug.

[Morbidius]

Originally posted by happyscrub:

Originally posted by Morbidius:

Since Undead Labs tied stuff like traders and missions together with the number of enclaves when they designed the game and wrote the code.

So it's not a bug the issue is more that people doesn't know about that system and Undead Labs are not explaining it for you either..

I don't understand your logic. That's not a game design. Game design is something the devs want you to do. They don't want you to get rid of an enclave to spawn a mission. What makes your believe that? There's not one dev post ever saying, "Yeah, it's intended to not spawn because it's intended for you to get rid of enclaves"

Look up the definition of game design since you are clearly wrong in what game design means. As I explained for you this clearly isn't a bug but decisions that they made on how this system should function (game design) when they worked on the game.

I myself don't think this system and how it functions is good. I would have made other decisions and programmed it in another way. But it's irrelevent what I think since I'm not working at Undead Labs.

[Morbidius]

Originally posted by TheOnlyOne:

Originally posted by Morbidius:

It's 100% not a bug. I don't know exactly where the limit goes if it's 15 or 16. But If you have 15 or 16 enclaves and the Bounty Broker on the map then you won't get any missions and there won't be any traders. Since Undead Labs tied stuff like traders and missions together with the number of enclaves when they designed the game and wrote the code.

So it's not a bug the issue is more that people doesn't know about that system and Undead Labs are not explaining it for you either.

What you need to do if no missions or traders pop up is reduce the number of enclaves you have. Myself I avoid Trumbull Valley since there already are special enclaves on that map. And I also try to not have more then 9 enclaves in total on the map. If I have more I recruit a member and then exile that new member from my community or I make the enclave hostile and kill them or if you play on a high enough difficulty (Lethal) you can make noise and have zombies and freaks kill the enclave for you (maybe works on nightmare also, not sure).

And if you are a bit below the max amount of enclaves that you can have on a map. normal missions, traders, and leader missions will spawn with no problem.

And finally even if you are not at max amount of enclaves and traders are spawning in. You are not guaranteed to get a Mysterious Wandering Trader. It's just random if that trader shows up or not during friday - monday. I have been playing for 5 hours straight and having loads of other traders show up but not seing the mysterious wandering trader. And I have played for 15 minutes and had the mysterious wandering trader show up.

I would still classify this as a bug because traders shouldn't share the same group as enclaves. If there's a cap of 16 including broker then the cap should be 13 enclaves, broker and two traders. Having enclaves block special traders is a bug imo.

I agree with a lot of the things you say.

Maybe they set the limit because the power of the xbox one couldn't handle anymore, maybe because it was the cheapest, easiest, and fastest way to to program this system for them, maybe it was a designer that was not so experienced with game design and just wanted the system to work and not thinking about the consequences of the decisions that where made, maybe it was some other reasons or a mix of several reasons that it turned out this way.
Only the people that made these decisions at Undead Labs know.

And yes I also would have taken other decisions if I worked at Undead Labs and had a say in this to make it different. Lets say the cap is 18 for random missions, traders, Bounty Broker and leader missions for whatever reason. Maybe it's because the xbox one can't handle anymore but it could also be another reason. Then one is gone immediately due to the Bounty Broker always being there on the map. Then you could reserve two for traders being able to pop up. Then you can reserve another two for spawning random missions. And one for leader missions to pop up and another two for special enclaves that pops up when you do leader quests. That means you have ten left that can be enclaves on the map.

That is how I would have designed it. Sure it would be hardcoded and the system would not be very flexible but at least it would solve the issues that the game is currently having. Then you don't have to go around and get rid of enclaves.

Sure you can classify this as a bug it's not like I can stop you from that. Personally I would say this is bad decisions in game design and that Undead Labs doesn't explain how this system functions to the players. Which has the consequences that it leads to issues when players have to many enclaves on the map.

[happyscrub]

Originally posted by Morbidius:

Look up the definition of game design since you are clearly wrong in what game design means.

1st thing that popped up was "Game design is the creation of the rules and content of a game for entertainment or educational purposes".

Again, what makes you think they intended for you to get rid of enclaves to make missions spawn?

[Sugram22]

for me it happens when my community gets to second or 3th map, first map he shows up ferry often even when i have bounty guy and a lot of enclaves it showed up

same with some legacy missions, i remember playthrough where legacy missions didn't pop up at all after clearing hearts, so i had to use the leave map option, so i also believe its a bug