Just do not use the digital shirt

[Daevinski]

For reals, the game is the same if you just do not use the digital shirt in any of your characters. No mechanics were changed or implemented, no narrative or plot are being introduced.

It's the exact same game with an OPTIONAL item... so just do not use the item.

[Daevinski]

引用自 Alex：

The shirt has the BLM fist. What's insulting about that shirt is that it was made during african american history month which is kind of a joke right now and stuff like this keeps it a joke. They could have gone with something which actually provided a positive impact on african american history and/or the world as a whole, instead they go for looters, arsonists, thieves and murderers which is what BLM is known for. A organization led by a terrorist that should still be in jail that has gathered millions in donations but tossed some crumbs to the people they were supposed to be "fighting" for. So not it's not just art, it's a load of crap that I am personally tired of. This move is why I won't preorder the 3rd game, cause they might do more crap like this for woke points or whatever.

The raised fist is not a BLM exclusive symbol. This gesture is being adopt by different groups throughout the history, as you can see in this article[www.nationalgeographic.com].

Everything else you wrote about BLM is just your opinion.

[Arkhiel]

引用自 Daevinski：

引用自 Arkhiel：

Because it stands for a real life movement in a fictionnal apocalyptic world where basic survival is everything and in this kind of world nobody cares for your pronoun or skin color. Simple as that.

The shirt just has a piece of art, nothing written on it to directly link to a organization.

But, since the world is fictional, unless there's an already established lore that makes clear the non-existence of such organization or the importance of representation and inclusion in many levels inside this world, there's no reason whatsoever to such not things to be included in the game, now or later.

The symbol is more than clear, doesn't have to be words. A svatsika or a hammer/scythe would be as marked ideologically.

As I said earlier, real life politics don't have anything to do in a game. That could even stand for music bands or brands, always seems out of the place to see them.

[Daevinski]

引用自 Arkhiel：

The symbol is more than clear, doesn't have to be words. A svatsika or a hammer/scythe would be as marked ideologically.

As I said earlier, real life politics don't have anything to do in a game. That could even stand for music bands or brands, always seems out of the place to see them.

Yeah, the symbol as more associated to BLM right now, but it's not BLM exclusive and you can not put the raised first on the same level to a swastika without proving, with facts, that BLM and the Nazi Party are the same thing or, at least, similar.

[Arkhiel]

引用自 Daevinski：

引用自 Alex：

The shirt has the BLM fist. What's insulting about that shirt is that it was made during african american history month which is kind of a joke right now and stuff like this keeps it a joke. They could have gone with something which actually provided a positive impact on african american history and/or the world as a whole, instead they go for looters, arsonists, thieves and murderers which is what BLM is known for. A organization led by a terrorist that should still be in jail that has gathered millions in donations but tossed some crumbs to the people they were supposed to be "fighting" for. So not it's not just art, it's a load of crap that I am personally tired of. This move is why I won't preorder the 3rd game, cause they might do more crap like this for woke points or whatever.

The raised fist is not a BLM exclusive symbol. This gesture is being adopt by different groups throughout the history, as you can see in this article[www.nationalgeographic.com].

Everything else you wrote about BLM is just your opinion.

Exactly as UL choosing to put this specific movement and brag about it. It's an opinion, which most players don't care about since the point of playing isn't to see real world stuff

[Daevinski]

引用自 Arkhiel：

Exactly as UL choosing to put this specific movement and brag about it. It's an opinion, which most players don't care about since the point of playing isn't to see real world stuff

I agree. If you don't care about, just don't use the shirt or don't buy the game.

Is that simple.

[Alex]

引用自 Daevinski：

引用自 Alex：

The shirt has the BLM fist. What's insulting about that shirt is that it was made during african american history month which is kind of a joke right now and stuff like this keeps it a joke. They could have gone with something which actually provided a positive impact on african american history and/or the world as a whole, instead they go for looters, arsonists, thieves and murderers which is what BLM is known for. A organization led by a terrorist that should still be in jail that has gathered millions in donations but tossed some crumbs to the people they were supposed to be "fighting" for. So not it's not just art, it's a load of crap that I am personally tired of. This move is why I won't preorder the 3rd game, cause they might do more crap like this for woke points or whatever.

The raised fist is not a BLM exclusive symbol. This gesture is being adopt by different groups throughout the history, as you can see in this article[www.nationalgeographic.com].

Everything else you wrote about BLM is just your opinion.

It's the bloody BLM fist, who are you trying to kid here?

And everything I said about BLM is a fact.

[Alex]

引用自 Daevinski：

引用自 Arkhiel：

Exactly as UL choosing to put this specific movement and brag about it. It's an opinion, which most players don't care about since the point of playing isn't to see real world stuff

I agree. If you don't care about, just don't use the shirt or don't buy the game.

Is that simple.

Unless we already own the game, then what? You gonna give us refunds?

[Daevinski]

引用自 Alex：

It's the bloody BLM fist, who are you trying to kid here?

And everything I said about BLM is a fact.

I'm not saying is not. I'm just saying the BLM doesn't own the symbol.

Now, about what you said... is just your opinion. But feel free to share some actual facts and work on a good argument to prove that BLM and the Nazi Party are the same thing.

[Daevinski]

引用自 Alex：

引用自 Daevinski：

I agree. If you don't care about, just don't use the shirt or don't buy the game.

Is that simple.

Unless we already own the game, then what? You gonna give us refunds?

Do not use the shirt. Or do not play the game anymore.

Is not like you're now forced into a whole new game, that changed completely at the point of not being the same game you purchased before.

It's just a digital shirt. Ignore it.

[Alex]

引用自 Daevinski：

引用自 Alex：

It's the bloody BLM fist, who are you trying to kid here?

And everything I said about BLM is a fact.

I'm not saying is not. I'm just saying the BLM doesn't own the symbol.

Now, about what you said... is just your opinion. But feel free to share some actual facts and work on a good argument to prove that BLM and the Nazi Party are the same thing.

So why did you bring it up then? Also where the hell did I say the BLM and the nazies were the same? I said they are led by a terrorist, which they are, look up Susan Rosenberg, I said they were looters, there were over 50 blm "supporters" arrested during the first few nights in LA alone, arsonists, Minneapolis police station set on fire, among other buildings, but that's just my opinion, huh?

[KnIf0r^TITAN]

引用自 Daevinski：

引用自 Alex：

It's the bloody BLM fist, who are you trying to kid here?

And everything I said about BLM is a fact.

I'm not saying is not. I'm just saying the BLM doesn't own the symbol.

Now, about what you said... is just your opinion. But feel free to share some actual facts and work on a good argument to prove that BLM and the Nazi Party are the same thing.

I would argue the black power fist is worse for two reasons 1: the Nazi symbol is recognised as evil while people try to convince people the black power fist is morally good. 2: The black power fist is a Communist symbol and Communists have killed many times more people then the Nazi's ever did.

[Daevinski]

引用自 Alex：

So why did you bring it up then? Also where the hell did I say the BLM and the nazies were the same? I said they are led by a terrorist, which they are, look up Susan Rosenberg, I said they were looters, there were over 50 blm "supporters" arrested during the first few nights in LA alone, arsonists, Minneapolis police station set on fire, among other buildings, but that's just my opinion, huh?

You've put the raised fist and swastika symbols as the same things. You could've made any other comparison, but you choose this one. Also, such nonsensical comparison is not new, even in this post.

Now, about Susan Rosenberg, I'll share this article[www.newsweek.com].

"Susan Rosenberg, formerly a member of a left-wing terrorist group known as M19CO, did participate in the bombing of the U.S. Capitol's North Wing in 1983, for which she served a 16-year sentence. But she is not the head of the Black Lives Matter Global Network.

Rosenberg is on the board of directors for a nonprofit that sponsored the BLM Global Network Project from 2016 to 2020. While Berry acknowledged that in the context he provides, the meme he shared is misleading."

And you say that whole BLM is a terrorist group based in the fact the some people joined the riots in order to loot and destroy.

So, can we say that Trump Supporters are, somehow, a terrorist group as well based solely on the events of the Capitol Assault? Can we say Trump is the leader of a terrorist group because he did nothing to prevent, but in fact encouraged the people to do it?

Also, as far as I know, BLM is not part of any official US (gov or FBI) list of terrorist organizations.

[Arkhiel]

引用自 Daevinski：

引用自 Arkhiel：

Exactly as UL choosing to put this specific movement and brag about it. It's an opinion, which most players don't care about since the point of playing isn't to see real world stuff

I agree. If you don't care about, just don't use the shirt or don't buy the game.

Is that simple.

I bought it because i liked the first one which has no politics.
However, indeed, won't buy the third one.

[Daevinski]

引用自 KnIf0r^TITAN：

引用自 Daevinski：

I'm not saying is not. I'm just saying the BLM doesn't own the symbol.

Now, about what you said... is just your opinion. But feel free to share some actual facts and work on a good argument to prove that BLM and the Nazi Party are the same thing.

I would argue the black power fist is worse for two reasons 1: the Nazi symbol is recognised as evil while people try to convince people the black power fist is morally good. 2: The black power fist is a Communist symbol and Communists have killed many times more people then the Nazi's ever did.

The Raised Fist symbol is older than the Communist Regime, as you can see in this article[theblacksheepagency.com] and goes beyond what the communism stands for.

[Alex]

引用自 Daevinski：

引用自 Alex：

So why did you bring it up then? Also where the hell did I say the BLM and the nazies were the same? I said they are led by a terrorist, which they are, look up Susan Rosenberg, I said they were looters, there were over 50 blm "supporters" arrested during the first few nights in LA alone, arsonists, Minneapolis police station set on fire, among other buildings, but that's just my opinion, huh?

You've put the raised fist and swastika symbols as the same things. You could've made any other comparison, but you choose this one. Also, such nonsensical comparison is not new, even in this post.

Now, about Susan Rosenberg, I'll share this article[www.newsweek.com].

"Susan Rosenberg, formerly a member of a left-wing terrorist group known as M19CO, did participate in the bombing of the U.S. Capitol's North Wing in 1983, for which she served a 16-year sentence. But she is not the head of the Black Lives Matter Global Network.

Rosenberg is on the board of directors for a nonprofit that sponsored the BLM Global Network Project from 2016 to 2020. While Berry acknowledged that in the context he provides, the meme he shared is misleading."

And you say that whole BLM is a terrorist group based in the fact the some people joined the riots in order to loot and destroy.

So, can we say that Trump Supporters are, somehow, a terrorist group as well based solely on the events of the Capitol Assault? Can we say Trump is the leader of a terrorist group because he did nothing to prevent, but in fact encouraged the people to do it?

Also, as far as I know, BLM is not part of any official US (gov or FBI) list of terrorist organizations.

I'm getting the vibe that you have trouble accepting reality or have serious reading issues so I'm just gonna remind you that I never compared BLM to nazies. Rosenberg is a decision maker in the BLM organization and a convicted terrorist who would have still been serving time right now, people did loot burn and murder under the proverbial arm of BLM. You called those my opinions, but they are facts.

And by the way, I'm honestly surprised it took you this long to bring Trump into the discussion, not surprised at all that you did.