Shift Codes Are Nothing More Than Cheating!

[doccortex]

I've worked my way up with the one code, for the one weapon, that I got with the purchase. Shift codes are nothing more than cheating, that is condoned by the maker of the game!

How fair is it to legit players, that they release codes, that give you a weapon others have fought for!

[AimDrifter]

The weapons you get in the chest are crap.

[Da Gooze]

I've never seen some body complain about free upgrades. Just take it and move on, or don't.

[AssFknHatMofu]

Cheating my ass. It's random goodies. The keys are given by Gearbox. It's straight up. If you don't want to play the key hunt, that's youre problem. maybe you have enough free time on youre hands to put into the game and fight for all youre goodies. Some of us work for a living, have chores to do, as well as upkeep on the house, cars, motorcycles, lawn mower, snow blower, rototiller, etc. I love to play, but CANT invest the time. Besides, the keys do not mean you are going to get something good anyway. It's a gamble and it IS LEGIT.

[doccortex]

Nah, sounds like welfare to me.

[Jigen Daisuke]

why should my tax paying money go to players who wont grind for weapons themselves?

[Matt]

Originally posted by USChamp Dean Ambrose:

why should my tax paying money go to players who wont grind for weapons themselves?

What tax?

[AssFknHatMofu]

Tax? Oh, weapons tax! Yes, there is a tax for welfare weapons in the badlands. It's how us poor folk can afford to shoot varments.

[Mr_Pennywise]

LOL

If you think it is cheating then just dont use it and dont play with players that do.

[Rosenkreuz Kontrol]

Originally posted by doccortex:

How fair is it to legit players, that they release codes, that give you a weapon others have fought for!

The level of entitlement here is astonishing.

[MTB-Fritz]

ROFL

[76561198021547909]

Game bought from Steam --> legit.
Borderlands 2 game creator --> gives golden keys --> legit
User (you) , use or not use keys --> legit.
User complain about cheating --> NOT legit

Reason: everything is given by the game creator. Use or not use is personal preference/choice.
Don't reflect your morals (that are legit for you) onto others. There is no right or wrong here...!

[trukr]

Originally posted by doccortex:

I've worked my way up with the one code, for the one weapon, that I got with the purchase. Shift codes are nothing more than cheating, that is condoned by the maker of the game!

How fair is it to legit players, that they release codes, that give you a weapon others have fought for!

If you had any idea just how stupid this makes you look, meh I guess you would do it anyway.

That chest and those codes are an integral part of the game, so you had the same opportunity as any when it comes to that. The chest generates random loot in purple rarity and I find it mostly useless in upper levels so I have 253 keys I may one day use on a new play.

As to "legit" players, REALLY? Self righteous/centered/important/praising or all the above?

You can put the epeen away, few to none cares about your epeen.

[76561198021547909]

I guess this discussion can be closed. Everyone learns every day. There is no perfect person in the whole world. The original poster has to learn to. As do I and other people. What needs to be said is already done. Learn from the posts....continue....grow in game levels as in personality (in real).

Happy gaming as time and obligation permits. (thumbs up for all)

[☆InSaNiTy☆]

well the items in the chest rarity depends on the players lv so the higher lv you are the better the items you get just slowly play and you will find that hardwork feels much better

[NotApplicable]

I'm half 'n half with this thread. This is the reason I have almost 500 hours, with 6 characters, one of which is 72+2, and have only used 5 keys, even though I still have over 80 that I could use any time. To be honest, though, the chest is not as fantastic as it seemed, early-game. It took quite a bit of ranting and gameplay for me to realise that.

I remember someone telling me, on the forums, "Good luck on UVHM without keys!" or something to that effect, which now amuses me, because I've done plenty on UVHM, and am even on OP2 (died at the boss of OP3, on the first try, and haven't tried again, since -.-) so clearly the keys aren't as necessary as that guy thought!

When I farm, say, the snowman, the train gives me more and better loot than the chest has ever given me, and it's entirely not while succumbing to the whole key thing. If you use keys, fair enough, but I, personally, don't like them and so I ignore them. I think the last time I used one, was on early-mid TVHM with my Commando (the one that is now 72+2) and this was ages ago: I used 3 at once, spontaneously, not by struggling at all, because I was bored, and if I recall, one item was of use, the rest I sold; I felt dirty using it, for some reason; the gamer in me was not impressed! xD

The first two keys I used, was after a while of actually playing the game, but it was also quite early, overall (around 30-50 hour mark, perhaps less) and, yes, I used them because I felt I was struggling; I was only struggling because I wasn't yet playing the game properly, plus at that point I was really only playing with my brother, so that increased the difficulty, and he was also making similar mistakes to my own, so, needless to say, we struggled. xD

Anywho, now, I realise how almost pointless that chest is; the only thing it'll do, from what I gather, is speed up the early grind, which, I'd say is far enough! If you've done it a bazillion times like I have, too damn straight you get something to get you past those early grinds, quicker. I don't mean, "If you've beat the game with a Commando, use a ton of keys on a Psycho." because that wouldn't feel right, as they are two entirely different characters and therefore, an almost entirely different difficulty experience. If, however, you've completed the game on normal, with a Commando, then I see no reason not to use some keys to get another Commando past normal mode. Basically, I'm OK giving myself an advantage over something I've already completed without it; does that make sense?

I think I remember the first item I got from that chest, or at least, the first one I raved about; it was a 2k damage sniper-rifle, and I was a really low level; it was incredibly OP for whatever was being dropped around me.

The thing is, IMO, at the end of the day, it isn't cheating to use the chests. I've played on many games, going as far back as the Amstrad, and I have seen plenty of cheats, used some (mostly in my younger years, and fun cheats like Big Heads Mode) and seen others abuse the hell out of them, but something about these keys don't feel like a "cheat"; I do feel like it's an unfair way to acquire gear, but that doesn't necessarily make it a cheat, right? A cheat, to me, is "guaranteed advantage requiring user-side manipulation, outside of the intention of the original developer(s)." While the chests are an advantage, they are not an advantage ALL THE TIME; sometimes they drop junk, so there's a level of "gamble" to it - you'd hardly say the slot-machines are cheating, because you can get a legendary without farming, right?

Someone recently lied to me about something they did on BL2; it happens a lot, for some reason. They were all "Yeah, I got level 1-72 in a day and a half, without cheating, and no boosting!" I didn't believe him at all. Later, the guy told me that he lied, and had actually been power-leveled from 61-72, and a bit before that, he told me someone gave him an awesome legendary mod that gave him an incredible advantage. The point of me telling you this, is that the only person you cheat, is yourself. If you lie about something, it doesn't matter who you tell, because what matters, is that you lied to yourself; this is how I'm able to be stubbornly against full-on cheating, especially online, or on co-op games like this. Just like in real-life, I care more about how I see myself, than how others see me, to a fault.