[Theory] About Roland [Spoilers]

[00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09_10]

In the first Borderlands, Lilith was a playable character. Lilith's powers allowed her to regenerate health. However, in Borderlands 2, it is made obvious her powers have greatly increased. The opening of the vaults have increased siren powers, and if Maya has the power to heal other people, it only makes sense that a more powerful siren who has experience with healing can heal other people.

Now, you might be thinking, Angel died, the eridium injectors were destroyed, and Lilith was being controlled by Jack. How could she of healed Roland? However, think about this. Remember the area where everything happened. Angel dying, Roland "dying", the Vault Key dropping, (one of) the erdium injectors being destroyed and Lilith being captured all happened in the same exact spot. Coincidence? Probably not.

When you destroy the eridium injectors, the animation specifically shows that instead of eridium vanishing into the machinery, it gets splattered on the floor. Exactly, where, everything, happens. This means, Lilith had a source of eridium as she was standing right on it. Now the important part, when Roland got shot, he fell down smack dab right next to the Vault Key. When Jack captured Lilith with the collar, the collar may have a few fancy features, but the main purpose of it was to direct a Siren's powers into the vault key. Not to mention, it was made obvious that Jack did not completely control Lilith as she managed to teleport everyone away. Also, the collar probably had some extra eridium as Jack expected it to work perfectly. While Lilith struggled to teleport the second set of Vault Hunters away, she would of easily managed to direct power towards the key, right where Roland was. So Lilith not only had experience with healing, she now has extra powers, and she nows has A LOT of eridium. There is no reason she wouldn't of been able to direct healing powers towards Roland.

Now, why didn't that mean that we have met Roland again by the time we return from the Warrior to Sanctuary? Well, for all we know, Roland's echo might of been destroyed, and he might of been lying there on the brink of death, but not actually dead. By Borderlands 3, Roland may of recovered enough to find some medicine, get another Echo, escape or anything that results in him returning.



Last but not least, Gearbox has full control over Borderlands lore and how/when they reveal it. If this theory is a possibility, and if there is nothing making it impossible, I think Gearbox should return Roland in the third Borderlands.

TL:DR Lilith had self healing powers in Borderlands 1, now she had even more powers/experience and even a ♥♥♥♥ ton of Eridium, Maya can also heal other people, this means Lilith PROBABLY can heal other people with her powers, she would of easily had a lot of power that she could easily direct towards Roland when he got shot, she PROBABLY had healing power so she PROBABLY healed Roland.



Edit: Changed title for people who complained about spoiling a popular game that has been out for 3 years.

[The Filth]

Dude, Tiny Tina's Assualt on Dragonkeep Confirmed Roland's Corpse never left the room. Even if you couldn't except it a few hours after he died, you sorta have to after the DLC. Tiny Tina's DLC took place a few days after the events of Borderlands 2, Roland would have tried to Communicate with the gang sometime during that time. Rolands dead and I'm sorry if you liked him, but he was always seemed like a Hard Ass to me.

[SirCuddlesWorth]

Цитата допису Narrator:

Dude, Tiny Tina's Assualt on Dragonkeep Confirmed Roland's Corpse never left the room. Even if you couldn't except it a few hours after he died, you sorta have to after the DLC. Tiny Tina's DLC took place a few days after the events of Borderlands 2, Roland would have tried to Communicate with the gang sometime during that time. Rolands dead and I'm sorry if you liked him, but he was always seemed like a Hard Ass to me.

But... Did we see him being placed into that Grave? or is it just a Marker, on an Empty Grave?
(Don't Count Roland Out... Till Ya See The Box Going Into The Hole)

[00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09_10]

Цитата допису Narrator:

Dude, Tiny Tina's Assualt on Dragonkeep Confirmed Roland's Corpse never left the room. Even if you couldn't except it a few hours after he died, you sorta have to after the DLC. Tiny Tina's DLC took place a few days after the events of Borderlands 2, Roland would have tried to Communicate with the gang sometime during that time. Rolands dead and I'm sorry if you liked him, but he was always seemed like a Hard Ass to me.

What if he is just in a coma? He isn't some stick-skinny guy, he has plenty of extra muscle, so modern medicine would say that he should be able to recuperate if in a short coma. For all we know, if the vault key absorbed energy from Lilith, it might of "preserved" Roland instead of healing him.

Цитата допису PandoWooSetti:

Цитата допису Narrator:

Dude, Tiny Tina's Assualt on Dragonkeep Confirmed Roland's Corpse never left the room. Even if you couldn't except it a few hours after he died, you sorta have to after the DLC. Tiny Tina's DLC took place a few days after the events of Borderlands 2, Roland would have tried to Communicate with the gang sometime during that time. Rolands dead and I'm sorry if you liked him, but he was always seemed like a Hard Ass to me.

But... Did we see him being placed into that Grave? or is it just a Marker, on an Empty Grave?
(Don't Count Roland Out... Till Ya See The Box Going Into The Hole)

I like this idea. Getting shot doesn't always mean dying. For all we know, in the Borderlands universe, siren powers flowing through you while passing into a vault key might mean a heart/torso shot doesnt kill you either.

[trukr]

Lilith did not heal other people, Maya can. Lilith phase walks, Maya phase locks they do not have the same abilities. Rolland's echo was not destroyed, remember he talks to you on it.

I hope new players don't see this, bad name and no spoiler warning.

[The Filth]

All you guys got to do is rewatch the opening to TIny Tina's DLC. Brick, Mordecci, and Lillith obiously move away from the Subject of Roland. Roland being in a Coma would be easy to explain, "He's not feeling well", but Death would and was too much for her.

[Scraps]

A Siren's power is astronomical, but not quite high enough to perform a resurrection. I'm pretty certain Maya is the most powerful due to her specific training with the Order of Impending Storm compared to Lilith or Angel who's origins are vague. Maya is also the most heal-based Siren. That being said, the strongest heal-based ability is "Res", where it's capable of making others survive fatal wounds but not death itself (It is also noteworthy that Free Lilly doesn't have access to a more refined source of Eridium, It's liquidated and we never see Lilith actually utilize eridium in that state, or it has to be injected to actually be used).

If you watch Roland's death, he's been shot right through the heart. Although it's VERY hard to tell, the gun used by Jack looks like a Jakobs brand pistol by the visible Stock/Mag (Jakobs being a manufacturer that advertises its armaments to kill in 1 blow), so it's safe to say Roland was killed instantly.

A Siren's healing capability can only go so high, but they can not play God and simply resurrect the dead.

EDIT: I swear if you argue with "New-U stations", I will shank you.

[The Rock God]

Not sure exactly how long it takes place after BL2, but Roland is still dead in BL:TPS too.

[WickedRequiem]

TPS takes place before BL2.

TIMELINE
BL1 --> BL:TPS --> BL2 --> BL:Tales

[The Rock God]

Цитата допису WickedRequiem:

TPS takes place before BL2.

TIMELINE
BL1 --> BL:TPS --> BL2 --> BL:Tales

No, it takes place after BL2. Athena is being interrogated after the events of BL2, and is relating the events that happened between BL and BL2. That's why Lilith, Brick, Maya, etc, are there, but Roland isn't. He's still dead.

[Scraps]

Цитата допису The Rock God:

Цитата допису WickedRequiem:

TPS takes place before BL2.

TIMELINE
BL1 --> BL:TPS --> BL2 --> BL:Tales

No, it takes place after BL2. Athena is being interrogated after the events of BL2, and is relating the events that happened between BL and BL2. That's why Lilith, Brick, Maya, etc, are there, but Roland isn't. He's still dead.

Simply put: Athena's interrogation: after Jack's death
Borderlands Pre-sequal gameplay: before Jack's death

[trukr]

Цитата допису Sassy👽Alien:

Simply put: Athena's interrogation: after Jack's death
Borderlands Pre-sequal gameplay: before Jack's death

Yes, and out there in front of Scooter's you find Lilith in charge, no Rolland to be seen. Rolland, is da da da dead.

I think when Jack took his echo communicator he would have made sure of that. Unless Lilith had some ability we knew nothing of and did something after sending the Vault Hunters to Sanctuary... unlikely though because by the time they were out there with Athena I think Rolland would be there or at least talked about.

[00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09_10]

Цитата допису Sassy👽Alien:

A Siren's power is astronomical, but not quite high enough to perform a resurrection. I'm pretty certain Maya is the most powerful due to her specific training with the Order of Impending Storm compared to Lilith or Angel who's origins are vague. Maya is also the most heal-based Siren. That being said, the strongest heal-based ability is "Res", where it's capable of making others survive fatal wounds but not death itself (It is also noteworthy that Free Lilly doesn't have access to a more refined source of Eridium, It's liquidated and we never see Lilith actually utilize eridium in that state, or it has to be injected to actually be used).

If you watch Roland's death, he's been shot right through the heart. Although it's VERY hard to tell, the gun used by Jack looks like a Jakobs brand pistol by the visible Stock/Mag (Jakobs being a manufacturer that advertises its armaments to kill in 1 blow), so it's safe to say Roland was killed instantly.

A Siren's healing capability can only go so high, but they can not play God and simply resurrect the dead. :orb:

EDIT: I swear if you argue with "New-U stations", I will shank you.

As doctors all know, being shot in the heart isn't insta-death. Normal brain function, excluding traumatic shock, still continues until the circulatory system no longer provides enough oxygen to the brain. The brain can go 4 minutes without oxygen. This means, Roland needed to be healed, not resurrected. Also, assuming Roland was "preserved", the setting would be there to heal him back.

Цитата допису trukr:

Lilith did not heal other people, Maya can. Lilith phase walks, Maya phase locks they do not have the same abilities. Rolland's echo was not destroyed, remember he talks to you on it.

I hope new players don't see this, bad name and no spoiler warning.

That is correct, but with the charged collar, the extreme amounts of eridium, and the vault key, Lilith's self healing powers may of well been applied to other people, such as Roland. As it is currently known, Sirens have more powers then they seem, they just need to unlock said powers.



Also, Lilith's healing or preserving Roland MIGHT of been a subconscious thing, as the collar could make her charge the vault key without her will. That would explain her not knowing that Roland might be alive.

[No.]

Цитата допису Berser King:

Also, Lilith's healing or preserving Roland MIGHT of been a subconscious thing, as the collar could make her charge the vault key without her will. That would explain her not knowing that Roland might be alive.

Цитата допису Lilith, probably.:

'sup, guys? So, it seems I totally revived Roland without even noticing. How cool is that, huh?
Anyway, those were the good news. The bad ones are that since noone else noticed, he starved to death down at Angel Core.
Yup. Life's a ♥♥♥♥♥.

Your hypothesis -not theory- can be taken down in a thousand different ways, and anytime someone proves you wrong, you just come up with a more nonsensical idea. What's next? "Perhaps that was a digistructed clone of Roland, and Roland is all alive having a beer at his beach house"?

If you want Roland to be alive, there's fanfiction for that.

[00_01_02_03_04_05_06_07_08_09_10]

Цитата допису No:

Цитата допису Berser King:

Also, Lilith's healing or preserving Roland MIGHT of been a subconscious thing, as the collar could make her charge the vault key without her will. That would explain her not knowing that Roland might be alive.

Цитата допису Lilith, probably.:

'sup, guys? So, it seems I totally revived Roland without even noticing. How cool is that, huh?
Anyway, those were the good news. The bad ones are that since noone else noticed, he starved to death down at Angel Core.
Yup. Life's a ♥♥♥♥♥.

Your hypothesis -not theory- can be taken down in a thousand different ways, and anytime someone proves you wrong, you just come up with a more nonsensical idea. What's next? "Perhaps that was a digistructed clone of Roland, and Roland is all alive having a beer at his beach house"?

If you want Roland to be alive, there's fanfiction for that.

I love people who are like "There are thousands of ways I can prove you wrong" and then they don't list a single way.

[No.]

Цитата допису Berser King:

I love people who are like "There are thousands of ways I can prove you wrong" and then they dont list a single way.

What for? As this thread shows, you'll just come up with some half-assed nonsense: "Hurr, he's in a coma", "Durr, Lilith subconsciously revived him".

Hey, perhaps he was a zombie all along, right?

There's a whole DLC which revolves around someone trying to deny Roland's death. Then there's that pic of Lilith and company grieving over Roland's grave, which seems like a weird thing to do if you healed said person and know he's alright. Oh, my bad; I forgot she healed/revived/preserved/zombified him without noticing.

#EridiumCantMeltThroughSteelBeams