question about the Loot Midgets' connection to "Doctor's Orders".........

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

ok, so i'm hearing about this mission causing Loot Midgets appearing and whatnot, more so if the mission is kept opened (meaning completed but not officially turned in).

but how can that be though?

[Fatty]

Just do not turn in the mission, and do not pickup ANY of the slag
experiment notes ! For every note you pickup in that mission you
will lose a midget, 4 notes = 4 midgets in boxes in that room with the red chest.

[blinkmoth]

Originally posted by DrQuagmire1:

but how can that be though?

that's simply how it is. Enemy spawning being influenced by whether or not a mission is active is the most common thing in the world.

Whether the mission is completed is irrelevant as far as I know. All that matters is that you picked it up and haven't turned it in yet. You'll always get 3 or 4 midgets then in the 4 cardboard boxes in wildlife preserve next to Lab where you find bloodwings feather.

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

Originally posted by blinkmoth:

Originally posted by DrQuagmire1:

but how can that be though?

that's simply how it is. Enemy spawning being influenced by whether or not a mission is active is the most common thing in the world.

Whether the mission is completed is irrelevant as far as I know. All that matters is that you picked it up and haven't turned it in yet. You'll always get 3 or 4 midgets then in the 4 cardboard boxes in wildlife preserve next to Lab where you find bloodwings feather.

the mission was already turned in. however, I still managed make a Loot Midget WEE Loader spawn just outside where you fight the Son-of-Mothrakk, and he managed to drop the legendary Quasar grenade mod.

[Fatty]

Originally posted by DrQuagmire1:

Originally posted by blinkmoth:

that's simply how it is. Enemy spawning being influenced by whether or not a mission is active is the most common thing in the world.

Whether the mission is completed is irrelevant as far as I know. All that matters is that you picked it up and haven't turned it in yet. You'll always get 3 or 4 midgets then in the 4 cardboard boxes in wildlife preserve next to Lab where you find bloodwings feather.

the mission was already turned in. however, I still managed make a Loot Midget WEE Loader spawn just outside where you fight the Son-of-Mothrakk, and he managed to drop the legendary Quasar grenade mod.

Yes you can still get random Midgets, But the 4 in the room with the red chest will
not spawn from the 4 boxes.

[blinkmoth]

OP yes ofc you can get other loot midgets to spawn, the one before mothrakk is a very common one. But that's not the point here. You get 3 or 4 midgets guaranteed from those boxes when you haven't picked up any slag samples yet. There is no other place where they spawn reliably, so you kinda need this mission to farm them.

actually I just tested it a few times:

- 5 runs 0 slag examples picked up:
gave me 1x 3 midgets, 4x 4 midgets.

- 3 runs 1 slag example picked up:
gave me 3x 3 midgets

- 3 runs 2 slag examples picked up (including the one in the box):
gave me no midgets at all.

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

Originally posted by Fatty:

Originally posted by DrQuagmire1:

the mission was already turned in. however, I still managed make a Loot Midget WEE Loader spawn just outside where you fight the Son-of-Mothrakk, and he managed to drop the legendary Quasar grenade mod.

Yes you can still get random Midgets, But the 4 in the room with the red chest will
not spawn from the 4 boxes.

actually they can. because when I went inside that room the first time while the mission was still active, 3 Loot Midgets (1 human & 2 WEE Loaders) popped out from 3 of those boxes, but they had rather crappy drops.

[Fatty]

Originally posted by DrQuagmire1:

Originally posted by Fatty:

Yes you can still get random Midgets, But the 4 in the room with the red chest will
not spawn from the 4 boxes.

actually they can. because when I went inside that room the first time while the mission was still active, 3 Loot Midgets (1 human & 2 WEE Loaders) popped out from 3 of those boxes, but they had rather crappy drops.

If you pickup the Slag Experiment Notes the 4 Midgets "WILL NOT" spawn from
those 4 boxes in the room with the red chest sorry ! They will not.....
I have spent hundreds of hours there, nope not gonna happen.

[blinkmoth]

Originally posted by Fatty:

Originally posted by DrQuagmire1:

actually they can. because when I went inside that room the first time while the mission was still active, 3 Loot Midgets (1 human & 2 WEE Loaders) popped out from 3 of those boxes, but they had rather crappy drops.

If you pickup the Slag Experiment Notes the 4 Midgets "WILL NOT" spawn from
those 4 boxes in the room with the red chest sorry ! They will not.....
I have spent hundreds of hours there, nope not gonna happen.

I think the only slag example that matters is the one in the box. If you pick up the example in the beginning, the midgets still spawn. Also, you never get 4 midgets guaranteed. Only 3 are guaranteed. As said:

Originally posted by blinkmoth:

actually I just tested it a few times:

- 5 runs 0 slag examples picked up:
gave me 1x 3 midgets, 4x 4 midgets.

- 3 runs 1 slag example picked up:
gave me 3x 3 midgets

- 3 runs 2 slag examples picked up (including the one in the box):
gave me no midgets at all.

[Fatty]

Originally posted by blinkmoth:

Originally posted by Fatty:

If you pickup the Slag Experiment Notes the 4 Midgets "WILL NOT" spawn from
those 4 boxes in the room with the red chest sorry ! They will not.....
I have spent hundreds of hours there, nope not gonna happen.

I think the only slag example that matters is the one in the box. If you pick up the example in the beginning, they still spawn. As said:

Originally posted by blinkmoth:

actually I just tested it a few times:

- 5 runs 0 slag examples picked up:
gave me 1x 3 midgets, 4x 4 midgets.

- 3 runs 1 slag example picked up:
gave me 3x 3 midgets

- 3 runs 2 slag examples picked up (including the one in the box):
gave me no midgets at all.

Picking up ANY experiment notes effects the number of midgets that
will spawn on a regular basis.. They all matter !
Do not pick any up at all if you 4 midgets in that room.
You will lose 1 midget at least for every one you pick up.
Check youtube or google if you dont trust my replies.

[Bo]

Originally posted by blinkmoth:

OP yes ofc you can get other loot midgets to spawn, the one before mothrakk is a very common one. But that's not the point here. You get 3 or 4 midgets guaranteed from those boxes when you haven't picked up any slag samples yet. There is no other place where they spawn reliably, so you kinda need this mission to farm them.

actually I just tested it a few times:

- 5 runs 0 slag examples picked up:
gave me 1x 3 midgets, 4x 4 midgets.

- 3 runs 1 slag example picked up:
gave me 3x 3 midgets

- 3 runs 2 slag examples picked up (including the one in the box):
gave me no midgets at all.

I picked up including the one in the box only and still managed to spawn 4 midgets in all of my runs

[Fatty]

I picked up including the one in the box only and still managed to spawn 4 midgets in all of my runs [/quote]

You sir are one of 2 things.
1: You are confused about this topic.
2: Or you are just plain full of crap.

Don't mislead the original poster with your FALSE information.
Going by your gaming hours, I'm tending to lean towards No. 2

['MC' Gizmo]

Originally posted by Fatty:

Just do not turn in the mission, and do not pickup ANY of the slag
experiment notes ! For every note you pickup in that mission you
will lose a midget, 4 notes = 4 midgets in boxes in that room with the red chest.

^he's right

[trukr]

ANY notes you pick up will be one less midget. I have ALLAYS gotten 4, one per box unless I picked up a note and that was one less. I can (and have) make that run from the door to creature dome in my sleep, yes I have done it a few times, in all three play modes.

[blinkmoth]

Originally posted by trukr:

ANY notes you pick up will be one less midget. I have ALLAYS gotten 4, one per box unless I picked up a note and that was one less. I can (and have) make that run from the door to creature dome in my sleep, yes I have done it a few times, in all three play modes.

I still only have 3 midgets sometimes, even with 0 notes picked up. 3 or 4 midgets.

Also, when I tested it before, I did not get any midgets at all anymore in three runs after I picked up the note in the cardbord box, although there were 2 more notes left.

I don't doubt that picking up the notes have a negative effect, but 1 note = 1 midget is definitely not it.

[trukr]

Originally posted by blinkmoth:

Originally posted by trukr:

ANY notes you pick up will be one less midget. I have ALLAYS gotten 4, one per box unless I picked up a note and that was one less. I can (and have) make that run from the door to creature dome in my sleep, yes I have done it a few times, in all three play modes.

I still only have 3 midgets sometimes, even with 0 notes picked up. 3 or 4 midgets.

Also, when I tested it before, I did not get any midgets at all anymore in three runs after I picked up the note in the cardbord box, although there were 2 more notes left.

I don't doubt that picking up the notes have a negative effect, but 1 note = 1 midget is definitely not it.

I can't say why you would have less that 4 with no notes picked up, but I promise you one thing, I have never not had 4 with no note picked up.