i actually like the vault hunters relic

[REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY]

idc what anyone says, its a chance to get better loot just like collecting the dice in wonderlands. why would i not want a higher loot chance for something else.

oh its a small buff and its not noticeable, ya your lying. any loot chance buff is still a buff no matter what. i swear this thing gets me purples more often compared to not using it and it does have a use all the time since it can get you insane good loot/roles i guess.

its not cope i swear :(

[Radiowavehero]

Because the boost to the chance to get rarer loot is completely inconsequential when compared to killing things faster , more enemies killed means more loot.

MUCH more loot , which means more chances to get better loot because you are rolling the dice more often.

You don't have to care what other people think but you are only hurting yourself by using the Vault hunter relic , ignorance is bliss I guess.

For anyone else who might see this and wonder what the facts are , just look at the wiki https://borderlands.fandom.com/wiki/Vault_Hunter%27s_Relic

Rarity 	% Before Relic 	% After Relic Applied
Common  	89.9% 	84.77%
Uncommon 	8.99% 	13.56%
Rare 	        0.89% 	1.35%
Very Rare[2] 	0.089% 	0.135%
Legendary 	0.027%* 0.0407%* 
 

As you can see the relic is pretty useless because the bonus is tiny , it gets a better bonus if you play multiplayer and everyone is using one but even then you are better off just killing things faster.

The relic is a noob trap , using it for nostalgia or whatever is fine (I've done it) but just make sure you know it's not helping you , it's hurting your chances of finding loot by wasting an equipment slot that could have been a better relic that lets you kill faster or die less or anything ANYTHING else which would be more effective.

[REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY]

Originally posted by Radiowavehero:

Because the boost to the chance to get rarer loot is completely inconsequential when compared to killing things faster , more enemies killed means more loot.

MUCH more loot , which means more chances to get better loot because you are rolling the dice more often.

You don't have to care what other people think but you are only hurting yourself by using the Vault hunter relic , ignorance is bliss I guess.

For anyone else who might see this and wonder what the facts are , just look at the wiki https://borderlands.fandom.com/wiki/Vault_Hunter%27s_Relic

Rarity 	% Before Relic 	% After Relic Applied
Common  	89.9% 	84.77%
Uncommon 	8.99% 	13.56%
Rare 	        0.89% 	1.35%
Very Rare[2] 	0.089% 	0.135%
Legendary 	0.027%* 0.0407%* 
 

As you can see the relic is pretty useless because the bonus is tiny , it gets a better bonus if you play multiplayer and everyone is using one but even then you are better off just killing things faster.

The relic is a noob trap , using it for nostalgia or whatever is fine (I've done it) but just make sure you know it's not helping you , it's hurting your chances of finding loot by wasting an equipment slot that could have been a better relic that lets you kill faster or die less or anything ANYTHING else which would be more effective.

idk man. a .45 extra for a purple might come in clutch

[Nakos]

I'd rather have a proficiency relic or a Bone of the Ancients (if I'm in UVHM).

[Casurin]

It is quite a decent bonus - around 50% higher chances for all relevant drops. You need to get a rather good legendary/e-tech to get similar benefits.
AncientBone is of course great but you are not gonna have that for most of the playthrough and need to farm for that.

For the hard bosses you will still want to go with a gameplay-focused relic rather than increased drop-chance cause getting 100% better drops doesnt really help you if you cant kill the boss. Switching right before the kill would always be an option :P


And multiplayer: having 3-4 of them really is noticeable.

[Renfrew]

Originally posted by REALiNSaNgAMingGODPrODIgY:

idk man. a .45 extra for a purple might come in clutch

FIFTY - FIFTY

[SM5T001]

I equip it when i farm for something specific if i'm sure i can easily do it even without relics boosting damage or survivability, and i also aways had it permanently equipped in the first playthrough (normal mode) because it's too easy otherwise.

Changing to vault hunter's relic right before you finish the raid boss would feel unfair though, that's why i never do it despite always having this relic in my inventory.
I either equip it before battle, or not switch to it at all.

[Radiowavehero]

The only time more rarity is better than more kill-speed is if you are only farming a single time BUT how much it increases matters more.

The increase with vault hunter relic is so minuscule as to be almost entirely useless , it is NOT a 5% more legendary 5% more purple etc etc, it is ONLY a 5% LESS white item drop chance.

By lowering the chance for a white item to drop it increases the chance that something not white will drop BUT this still follows the rules for drop rates , so the most common will be a green , for legendaries you only increase from a 0.027% to 0.040% , a 0.0.13% increase.

It's a placebo , 5% less white items does not mean 5% more legendaries , it means 4.57% more greens. ( And it's still an 84% chance for white items to drop so yeah big whoop)

[SM5T001]

Originally posted by Radiowavehero:

for legendaries you only increase from a 0.027% to 0.040% , a 0.0.13% increase.

Do the math to actually compare these two percentages. 0,0407% is literally 1,5x higher than 0,027%.
1,5x to drop chances for higher rarities is huge, no way any relic will give you 1,5x killing speed when you are farming something if you will also take into account that leaving to the main menu and running back to the boss from the respawn also consumes your time.

[Ken]

Originally posted by SM5T001:

Do the math to actually compare these two percentages. 0,0407% is literally 1,5x higher than 0,027%.
1,5x to drop chances for higher rarities is huge, no way any relic will give you 1,5x killing speed when you are farming something if you will also take into account that leaving to the main menu and running back to the boss from the respawn also consumes your time.

You have to remember that the chances for uncommon, rare or very rare are also increased. The total increase of the green / blue / purple rarities outweighs any gains against whites when rolling for a legendary.

On the plus side you will definitely get considerably less whites, tho they will still be the majority of your drops.

[Wiesshund]

I equip it to farm, cause every little bit helps
then switch back when done farming