Enemies too strong?

[MR. Guineo]

Okay, so I'm having a bit of a problem that's kind of making me enjoy the game a bit less. I'm going through my first run of the game with Salvador and i'm at the point where i need to reach the Information Sockade, but i've noticed that for a good while now enemies have been getting way too powerful, in general but specially the Hyperion robots. The big problem is the ridicoulous damage they deal, I'm lvl 31, have like 2.2K shields and more health than that, and the weapons i have are decent i'd say, but not enough to kill the enemies before they kill me, as soon as i peak around corners they focus me and drop me in moments, especially some of these special loaders, and i'm just baffled with the damage i'm taking at this point.

I'm sure i could power through all of this if i keep trying, but feeling like i'm made out of paper is making this harder than i thought it'd be. I'm not here to complain or whine about the game, I'm here just to ask what exactly am i doing wrong? and what can i do to keep up? i don't think i'm under leveled, i'm using the best gear that the game gives me cuz i've heard i shouldn't farm at this stage, and yet i'm dying all too fast. Did i miss something? is there a way to deal with the game at this point that i'm not aware of? should i be doing something different? should i clear the secondary mission list first before continuing? should i really start farming for legendary loot? Or is the game really meant to be like this? This kill in an instant or be killed in an instant kind of thing, that seems a bit jarring to me, and wasn't Salvador meant to be the "tanky" class? Please help me

[Wilson Enjoyer]

you need to farm

[MR. Guineo]

Originally posted by m3rk91:

you need to farm

Okay, what exactly do i need to farm for?

[Endus Bloodspell]

you are playing wrong i guess, borderlands series don't have hard difficulty to progress the campaign, this is a reason i don't like this game, it's too easy.
Salvador ( Gunzerker ) is the more powerfull class in the game, you shouldn't have difficulty in game with him

[lagamemnon]

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

Originally posted by m3rk91:

you need to farm

Okay, what exactly do i need to farm for?

Mission cards show levels and difficulty rankings (and XP rewards). If the story missions are harder than "normal", you might have to farm XP and on-level gear from easier side missions.

Electric and corrosive weapons will help against loaders' shields and armor. Aim for their joints to dismember them. Hyperion pistols are really good for that, ironically.

[Mailer]

There is a famous bug that presents itself most commonly during the Arid Nexus part of the game, and it is a hidden perma-slag state on your character that persists until you quit the game and restart.

I believe it gets applied if you get slagged, then enter a vehicle before the slag wears off, and it can very easily be mistaken for a very harsh difficulty change around the part of the game that you are talking about.

Try restarting the game then, give it another go, and if the game is still too hard after that then you may simply be using gear that isn't quite up to date. Weapons and gear have levels and you want to keep those in line with your own level as best as you can; and check the mission log to see what the recommended level is for your current story mission.

[Nakos]

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

I'm going through my first run of the game with Salvador

Do you have a Moxxi weapon in your offhand?

Ruby would be ideal. Have you completed the Mission Rakkaholics Anonymous (and turned it in to Moxxi)? If not, then go do that. A Slag Ruby would be ideal.

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

and i'm at the point where i need to reach the Information Sockade,

Data Mining is rated as a 28-29 mission in Normal mode.

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

but i've noticed that for a good while now enemies have been getting way too powerful, in general but specially the Hyperion robots. The big problem is the ridicoulous damage they deal, I'm lvl 31, have like 2.2K shields and more health than that, and the weapons i have are decent i'd say, but not enough to kill the enemies before they kill me, as soon as i peak around corners they focus me and drop me in moments, especially some of these special loaders, and i'm just baffled with the damage i'm taking at this point.

Bluntly, your gear is obsolete. Any piece of gear you're using that's below level 28 is a liability. Damage falloff in this game works based on level disparity. This applies to you, and to your gear.

You do NOT need to farm, you're level 31, you're already too high level for Normal mode, but you do need to replace your older gear with on-level gear. But frankly, anything that's at least green rarity will do.

And finally, stop getting hit. Yes, I'm serious. Your shields are NOT there to allow you to tank damage. They're there to WARN you to take evasive action, to dodge, to weave, to take cover, to run away if necessary. BL2 does not use Hitscan. Bullets and projectiles are (virtual) physical objects, plan accordingly.

I'm not personally a Salvador expert, but I'd suggest posting the spec you're using, someone might be able to offer some pointers. You can use this calculator to show us your spec: https://bl2skills.com/gunzerker.html#000000000000000000000000000000000

A quick Google search yields these possibilities: https://levelskip.com/action-adventure/Borderlands-2-GunzerkerSalvador-Skill-Build-Guide

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

i'm using the best gear that the game gives me cuz i've heard i shouldn't farm at this stage,

"Best" doesn't mean rarity. Best means level then rarity. And no, you shouldn't be farming. The game should be throwing what you need at you constantly.

Do note however, the Red Chest at the end of Hero's Pass (when you get there) can be farmed as much as you like. Complete the Pass, then zone into the next area beyond it, immediately turn around and zone back into Hero's Pass. You'll now be at the back end of the pass and will spawn there on reload. Farm the chest as much as you like if you feel like your gear is crap.

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

Did i miss something? is there a way to deal with the game at this point that i'm not aware of? should i be doing something different?

Learning to avoid incoming damage is a crucial skill.

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

should i clear the secondary mission list first before continuing?

You should complete as many secondary missions as necessary to remain on-level for the main story mission you're already on. But you already are at 31, so that's not the issue.

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

should i really start farming for legendary loot? Or is the game really meant to be like this? This kill in an instant or be killed in an instant kind of thing, that seems a bit jarring to me, and wasn't Salvador meant to be the "tanky" class? Please help me

Well, yeah, he his supposed to be the "tanky" class, but that's still a relative concept. Build and gear will impact that. But even then, you should still be trying to avoid damage in single player mode.

[Diogenes49]

what level are your enemies ? your guns? if you are way underleveled compered to your enemies run some side quests to level up if it is your guns go to sanctuary and use some gold keys

[Casurin]

Saying that your items are good means absolutely NOTHING - they might have been good when you dropped then at lvl 20, or they might still be good.
But as you seem to not have played Borderlands 2 a lot yet and you have trouble it is rather hard to trust anything you say (nothing against you but i have seen people claiming they got super items and then were running around with lvl 10 equipment against lvl 20 enemies).

Are you perhaps using way underleveled items?
Or using the wrong elements (yes - elements matter. The difference is startling)?
Have you not skilled anything?
Are you shooting at their crit-spots?
Which enemies in particular do you have problems with - normal loaders? RPG? Constructors? Badass?

[PercAngleOffABean]

Need help?

[MR. Guineo]

Alright guys, thank you for the advice so far. Lemme share my loadout and skills so you guys have a better look at my situation. Rn my loadout is:

Lvl 30 Tri fusion crowd sourcing (green)
Lvl 19 bullets go fast slagga
Lvl 26 Shock Tediore Brisk plasma caster
Lvl 29 Derp creamer (most powerful weapon i have, it does crazy dmg)
Lvl 29 slow mover booster shield (white)
Lvl 25 shield regen relic (purple)
Lvl 20 unhinged hoarder class mod
Lvl 26 sticky homing shock transfusion grenade (purple)

And here are my skills. Haven't really gone for a specific build, just gone with what seems the most useful: https://bl2skills.com/gunzerker.html#500000000000553210000050000000000

Originally posted by Nakos:

Ruby would be ideal. Have you completed the Mission Rakkaholics Anonymous (and turned it in to Moxxi)? If not, then go do that. A Slag Ruby would be ideal.

I do have a corrosive ruby, however as you guys said, it is quite under leveled, and i use slagga to slag the enemies

Originally posted by Casurin:

Which enemies in particular do you have problems with - normal loaders? RPG? Constructors? Badass?

The special loaders are giving me the most trouble, specially the sgt-loaders and the rpg-loaders, and also threshers, i hate whenever those guys appear

[Casurin]

Sgt/RPG-loaders are somewhat stronger and can easily down you if you don't take care.
From the items you listed the crowdsourcing should do by far the best DPS of them all if you get crits. Rocketlaunchers are high burst but kinda slow.

Other than that - cheesy way would be gunzerk and then hide.

[Nakos]

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

Lvl 30 Tri fusion crowd sourcing (green)
Lvl 29 Derp creamer (most powerful weapon i have, it does crazy dmg)
Lvl 29 slow mover booster shield (white)

Those three are okay.

That said, I'm not that fond of Hyperion guns. That's a personal preference though, you might find you like them.

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

Lvl 25 shield regen relic (purple)

An Action Skill cooldown relic is probably more useful.

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

Lvl 26 Shock Tediore Brisk plasma caster
Lvl 26 sticky homing shock transfusion grenade (purple)

I wouldn't get rid of those right away, but look for upgrades.

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

Lvl 20 unhinged hoarder class mod

You can probably do better than that. You don't have Lay Waste, so ... the "Unhinged" prefix isn't helping you. You might want to consider a Titan mod, probably a Hulking Titan.

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

And here are my skills. Haven't really gone for a specific build, just gone with what seems the most useful: https://bl2skills.com/gunzerker.html#500000000000553210000050000000000

As I say, I’m NOT a Salvador expert. At your level, I’d probably aim for something like this: https://bl2skills.com/gunzerker.html#500000000000505500010050000000000

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

Originally posted by Nakos:

Ruby would be ideal. Have you completed the Mission Rakkaholics Anonymous (and turned it in to Moxxi)? If not, then go do that. A Slag Ruby would be ideal.

I do have a corrosive ruby, however as you guys said, it is quite under leveled, and i use slagga to slag the enemies

Weirdly enough, the Ruby is the one place where level doesn’t matter much. Because you don’t want it for damage, you want it because it’s a one handed Moxxi weapon that you can use in your off hand. The Ruby heals you when you use it. It heals you for a percentage of the damage you do, so … yes, an on-level Ruby would be superior. But it heals you for ALL the damage you’re doing, so Sal can use an on-level main hand weapon, do plenty of damage with it, and still get decent benefit from a lower level Ruby.

For any other character, it would be less useful due to its lower level (although other characters that can do DoT damage can still benefit from a lower level Ruby by applying DoTs, switch to the Ruby and then running away). But for Sal, because of his Gunzerking, the Ruby actually works pretty well, level notwithstanding.

Try to find an Anarchist for main hand use.

And if you’re going to do that, then the skill I’m Your Huckleberry becomes a lot more attractive.

Originally posted by MR. Guineo:

Originally posted by Casurin:

Which enemies in particular do you have problems with - normal loaders? RPG? Constructors? Badass?

The special loaders are giving me the most trouble, specially the sgt-loaders and the rpg-loaders, and also threshers, i hate whenever those guys appear

Well, a Corrosive weapon will help with the Loaders. For the Sargents, shoot their arms off. The RPG ones ... hmm ... probably sniping from cover with a Corrosive sniper would be ideal. A corrosive MIRV grenade mod might help too.

[Cyperian]

Originally posted by Mailer:

There is a famous bug that presents itself most commonly during the Arid Nexus part of the game, and it is a hidden perma-slag state on your character that persists until you quit the game and restart.

I believe it gets applied if you get slagged, then enter a vehicle before the slag wears off, and it can very easily be mistaken for a very harsh difficulty change around the part of the game that you are talking about.

Try restarting the game then, give it another go, and if the game is still too hard after that then you may simply be using gear that isn't quite up to date. Weapons and gear have levels and you want to keep those in line with your own level as best as you can; and check the mission log to see what the recommended level is for your current story mission.

I know it's 2 years late but thank you for this, I was wondering why I was going from full health and shields in seconds against basic enemies

[RMJ]

DECADEs in tis gane , THERE Is NO BUG!

it your skill- weapon - Tactics- sheiled you use! THEN BAD azz points,

BUG = yea right! DECADES in this gane - so many countless replays CO-OP , Solo

Clueless kids!

[RMJ]

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