Axton is the pudding of BL2... literally.

[Grimaldus]

I've played all characters to a high lvl and without a doubt, Axton is by far
the squishiest hero when it comes to survivability vs dps.
Yesterday just for kicks i tried doing the Bar-room brawl to test his mettle
and he was found lacking.... a lot. Given some of the weapons were 4lvls beneath
his own.. but even tho this is the gazillion weapons-game, finding a good upgrade
doesn't happen every level and some times you have to play several levels before
a single upgrade drops or is rewarded.. and TVHM is locked lvlwise which
means certain weapons only drops at a certain max lvl, like Layuda L35 max...

Back to the Bar-brawl, i have NEVER died so much on ANY character
as i did with Axton. Even at L49 against L51 mobs, using a turretbuild
with a high capacity shield and some points into survivability... the shield lasted
nothing and whatever little health he has, gets annihilated instantly by the shotgunners.

Ontop of that, the turret - altho situationally powerful - gets instantly taken out
by 2 badasses bashing it, AND it's stationary and long CD which means that
once the turret is KIA, whatever survivability Axton had, is reduced to jumping around
like a monkey trying to avoid getting killed while spamming leech-slag grenades.

Whenever i run the Bar-brawl on my Mecromancer, Krieg or Maya, it's a total
annihilation of the enemies.. Krieg just 1shots any badass with his melee build,
Maya renders entire rooms helpless and slagged , and my Mecromancer runs from
room to room shocking everything while the robot solo's the badasses.


So WHERE is the strength of Axton ?. Because so far, i've yet to be as impressed
as i've been of ANY of the other heroes... Even Zer0 which is suppose to be the
squishy ninja, easly cleans the Bar Brawl - compared to Axton.

[Innocent]

Grit is a fun ability but with most ability that have a % chance to proc, not reliable. You can build fun Antagonist builds to oneshot Hyperius, but for regular play it's just not reliable.

The turret can take aggro but is so bugged that you will invariably die a few times trying to deploy it to get aggro off you (I've posted about this already). It also gets oneshotted by a few things like Blaster Nomads and the Snowman, meaning you just wasted your ulti and it has one of the longest cooldowns. No other VH suffer from this (maybe Gaige but I don't play her).

He's not awful, definitely fun and playable, but also very clearly the weakest and with obvious issues.

[IGX]

Messaggio originale di ♥♥♥♥ owl:

ill just say grit is pretty sick but its a gimmick ability obviously so its not consistently good survivability and i don't think generally you should rely on it too much i would personally rather have good sustain survivability then have to rely on abilities that kinda rewards ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up

They should have just replaced this ability with a higher damage output.

[z00t]

Axton's survival ability depends on shields being full yes? Using something by Pangolin, with high capacity, super slow delays and rates and the health loss is not at all helpful for this.

Have you thought about using purple Tediore shields, that can have recharge delays as low as a second and a recharge rate higher than the shield capacity. No shield to full shield in less than a second.
There are variants with higher capacity and slightly slower delay and there is also the chance of elemental DOT resistance. Works a treat against things that spit acid at you. Or fire.

Enemies will take your shields out, any shield, in a couple of shots. Turtle shields will leave you very vulnerable. Purple Tediore will not.

Just a thought.

Grit depends on Random, and really isn't a good skill as a result. I am not a big fan of FFYL skills, and prefer to not go into FFYL in the first place.

[Noël Buffet à Volonté]

Messaggio originale di ♥♥♥♥ owl:

ill just say grit is pretty sick but its a gimmick ability obviously so its not consistently good survivability and i don't think generally you should rely on it too much

I agree it's not a skill that is constistent for survivablity, but i didn't say that it was his only survival skill, i only said he got one of the bests.

[Dbentzjr]

I dunno man I have an extremely high level infinity build axton Ive had for years and he can run around and cause extreme damage pretty quickly. Of course, this is as I mentioned, an op8 infinity and bee build along with the longbow turrets.

[dontu_worry]

Messaggio originale di Knavenformed:

Messaggio originale di Ghostly Life:

Aand his survivability is really good too.

On paper yes, but when you can get 3 shot even with 70% DR on Krieg, no amount of regeneration can save Axton.
Grit saves you from time to time, but mostly the perk is useless against ranged enemies since grit doesn't actually have any invulnerability for a while after, with a max boosted HP pool Axton still gets 2 shot.

Two things I get from reading your posts:
1. You're focusing too much on shields and health pool. Neither one is worth diddly in this game. You're not meant to get hit, but to use cover, movement, distraction and tactics to manage each encounter.
2. "I get 3-shot!". Don't get hit 3 times in a row, then.

[Knavenformed]

Messaggio originale di dontu_worry:

Two things I get from reading your posts:
1. You're focusing too much on shields and health pool. Neither one is worth diddly in this game. You're not meant to get hit, but to use cover, movement, distraction and tactics to manage each encounter.
2. "I get 3-shot!". Don't get hit 3 times in a row, then.

Literally who asked and what context is this?
I didn't even ask for help here and that was a worst case scenario example anyway?
Did you just go out of your way to write down "skill issue" just because, or are you incapable of reading lmao

[dontu_worry]

Messaggio originale di Knavenformed:

Messaggio originale di dontu_worry:

Two things I get from reading your posts:
1. You're focusing too much on shields and health pool. Neither one is worth diddly in this game. You're not meant to get hit, but to use cover, movement, distraction and tactics to manage each encounter.
2. "I get 3-shot!". Don't get hit 3 times in a row, then.

Literally who asked and what context is this?
I didn't even ask for help here and that was a worst case scenario example anyway?
Did you just go out of your way to write down "skill issue" just because, or are you incapable of reading lmao

This isn't a "reading help" forum. It's a gameplay forum. I am capable of playing this game and am trying to help you resolve your issues, which I wouldn't call "skill issues", but strategic. Build Axton for damage, not tankiness, as this game does not support Axton tanking anything. Then use cover. If you are dying all the time, it is natural to try to enable your VH to absorb more damage, but as I've stated, this game does not allow hardening Axton to any degree that will make a difference. Focus on doing damage and playing the game as it is. Use cover, mob triage and plan on going into FFYL and getting out of it.

[Knavenformed]

Messaggio originale di dontu_worry:

Literally who asked and what context is this?

I am capable of playing this game and am trying to help you resolve your issues,[/quote]

But I don't have any issues?
I just pointed out the weakness in Axton's seemingly "good" survivability.
Like my dude please read back like 10 messages lol

[dontu_worry]

Messaggio originale di Knavenformed:

Messaggio originale di dontu_worry:

Literally who asked and what context is this?

I am capable of playing this game and am trying to help you resolve your issues,

But I don't have any issues?
I just pointed out the weakness in Axton's seemingly "good" survivability.
Like my dude please read back like 10 messages lol [/quote]
I regret reading the quantity of your infatile, stubborn, whinging that I have, and sadly, cannot unsee. I am not interested in introducing more or your breastmilk-scented rage into my psyche.

[Knavenformed]

Messaggio originale di dontu_worry:

I regret reading the quantity of your infatile, stubborn, whinging that I have, and sadly, cannot unsee. I am not interested in introducing more or your breastmilk-scented rage into my psyche.

Good? Because I never had a conversation starter here anyways.
But I'm sure you could do better than that to try an flame my dude.

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

Messaggio originale di z00t:

Axton's survival ability depends on shields being full yes? Using something by Pangolin, with high capacity, super slow delays and rates and the health loss is not at all helpful for this.

Have you thought about using purple Tediore shields, that can have recharge delays as low as a second and a recharge rate higher than the shield capacity. No shield to full shield in less than a second.
There are variants with higher capacity and slightly slower delay and there is also the chance of elemental DOT resistance. Works a treat against things that spit acid at you. Or fire.

Enemies will take your shields out, any shield, in a couple of shots. Turtle shields will leave you very vulnerable. Purple Tediore will not.

Just a thought.

Grit depends on Random, and really isn't a good skill as a result. I am not a big fan of FFYL skills, and prefer to not go into FFYL in the first place.

:borderlands2:

I don't know Z00t, that one skill Axton has which allows him to throw grenades while in FFYL is too good to pass up

[dontu_worry]

Messaggio originale di z00t:

Axton's survival ability depends on shields being full yes? Using something by Pangolin, with high capacity, super slow delays and rates and the health loss is not at all helpful for this.

Have you thought about using purple Tediore shields, that can have recharge delays as low as a second and a recharge rate higher than the shield capacity. No shield to full shield in less than a second.
There are variants with higher capacity and slightly slower delay and there is also the chance of elemental DOT resistance. Works a treat against things that spit acid at you. Or fire.

Enemies will take your shields out, any shield, in a couple of shots. Turtle shields will leave you very vulnerable. Purple Tediore will not.

Just a thought.

Grit depends on Random, and really isn't a good skill as a result. I am not a big fan of FFYL skills, and prefer to not go into FFYL in the first place.

:borderlands2:

Agree about Grit. It's garbage and bait for folks who can't play the game. Maxing Axton's damage output, playing smart, and having a good FFYL contingency are better, by far, and are player-controlled.

[z00t]

Messaggio originale di Mister Torgue Flexington:

Messaggio originale di z00t:

Axton's survival ability depends on shields being full yes? Using something by Pangolin, with high capacity, super slow delays and rates and the health loss is not at all helpful for this.

Have you thought about using purple Tediore shields, that can have recharge delays as low as a second and a recharge rate higher than the shield capacity. No shield to full shield in less than a second.
There are variants with higher capacity and slightly slower delay and there is also the chance of elemental DOT resistance. Works a treat against things that spit acid at you. Or fire.

Enemies will take your shields out, any shield, in a couple of shots. Turtle shields will leave you very vulnerable. Purple Tediore will not.

Just a thought.

Grit depends on Random, and really isn't a good skill as a result. I am not a big fan of FFYL skills, and prefer to not go into FFYL in the first place.

I don't know Z00t, that one skill Axton has which allows him to throw grenades while in FFYL is too good to pass up

Well yes. That is about the only one that is essential. Grit? Still crap.

[Starbug]

Messaggio originale di z00t:

Messaggio originale di Mister Torgue Flexington:

I don't know Z00t, that one skill Axton has which allows him to throw grenades while in FFYL is too good to pass up

Well yes. That is about the only one that is essential. Grit? Still crap.

:borderlands2:

Come on guys the devs in their generousness bestowed 8 more skill points upon us . Give grit something. For players like myself who consider cover semi-optional and ultimately for chickens afraid to accept they're charging cassowaries of death, the chance it triggers to not die is worth considering.