Electric Leech vs Negative

[JagerJack]

Which is a better healing grenade?

[dontu_worry]

Neither. Purple slag longbow transfusions, 0 fuse.
And its O-Negative.

[WickedRequiem]

...no love for magic missile?

[dontu_worry]

Originally posted by WickedRequiem:

...no love for magic missile?

Clearly the question is about healing grenades. Read, THEN post.

[I-Chi]

Originally posted by WickedRequiem:

...no love for magic missile?

I'd throw the MM under cover (like a wuss), then quickly swap over to a Grog Nozzle to heal. It matters what the MM level is though for the damage/heal amount, at UVHM I had to grind the Dragon Keep sacrificial altar to get a high level one. A badass Wizard dropped one, then (I'm 75% sure) a badass Necromancer dropped another. The cool thing about MM is that it regenerates, which is very helpful for sustained combat (e.g. trying to spawn Vermivorous).

[WickedRequiem]

Originally posted by dontu_worry:

Originally posted by WickedRequiem:

...no love for magic missile?

Clearly the question is about healing grenades. Read, THEN post.

I always considered it a healing grenade (mostly because that's how I used it... and the lightening bolt one... with grog).

[dontu_worry]

Originally posted by WickedRequiem:

Originally posted by dontu_worry:

Clearly the question is about healing grenades. Read, THEN post.

I always considered it a healing grenade (mostly because that's how I used it... and the lightening bolt one... with grog).

A healing nade does so without being combined with a moxxi weapon. By your (nonsensical) definition, kunai is a healing skill and explosive barrels are healing scenery. Duh.

[Renfrew]

Leech

Leech is good for melee Krieg it gives him a source of healing while he is rampaging.

I find it very useful on Salavdor with the skill that lets you throw two grenades.

Axton and Maya don't need healing grenades (unless very early game).

Can be useful with Gaige, but probably a regular transfusion is preferred because you just need a burst of healing rather than a constant stream.

Zer0 needs a large burst of healing rather than a constant stream, so leech is definitely bad on Zer0.

O-Negative

The delayed fuse time (cannot spawn with 0 fuse time) is good on Krieg, because it gives him an extra source of healing while rampaging. He can also use his kill skills to reduce fuse time making the grenade outclass a regular transfusion.

Salvador can use these two thanks to his skill, but you have to throw them early and time them.

Maya and Axton are as above.

Gaige and Zer0 would require you to time your grenades due to the delayed fuse time. A Zer0 (hahahaha, puns amirite?) fuse time regular transfusion is more often better than the O-Negative with these two.

At OP levels this grenade is outclassed by a regular transfusion (except on Krieg) due to damage to healing ratio (Level 80 HP bar with Level 90/OP10 Transfusion is more than sufficient Vs O-Negative's increase healing) combined with the fuse time issue.

[JagerJack]

Originally posted by dontu_worry:

Neither. Purple slag longbow transfusions, 0 fuse.
And its O-Negative.

Why do you always have to be this toxic?

Originally posted by ꧁Renfrew꧂:

Leech

Axton and Maya don't need healing grenades (unless very early game).

Well, it was pretty useful when I took on Terra with Plasma Caster

[Renfrew]

Slag transfusion is something popularised by Zer0 players, so he is not being toxic just quoting the mindless things popularised by elitists. (remember when people believed Diamond Weisenheimer was rare because some guy on YT said so?)

Maya and Axton already have fantastic sustainability, using any form of healing grenade is wasted DPS potential, especially against Terra who is (debatably) the second easiest of raid bosses (Pyro Pete is first).

[Smaugi]

Axton is better off with a damaging nade as he can do alot of DMG with these , Maya Has ways of self healing , zero can use it pretty well but still not needed , mechro can also use it well but also slag is better, krieg Has better nade damage boosts and Salvador is 50/50 as you can throw something like 2x fast ball for DPS or 2 healing nades for 2x healing.

[Renfrew]

@Lord Gwyn

Out of curiosity how do you maintain Zer0 sustainability? I am not a Zer0 main, so when I play Zer0 I use the Cher Amie for healing on sniper builds (the least overpowered of the Moxxi weapons, I try to avoid using them). But for melee and gun I use transfusion.

[dontu_worry]

Originally posted by dontu_worry:

Neither. Purple slag longbow transfusions, 0 fuse.
And its O-Negative.

Originally posted by ꧁Renfrew꧂:

@Lord Gwyn

Out of curiosity how do you maintain Zer0 sustainability? I am not a Zer0 main, so when I play Zer0 I use the Cher Amie for healing on sniper builds (the least overpowered of the Moxxi weapons, I try to avoid using them). But for melee and gun I use transfusion.

And using the Hunter COM can help at times, especially if youre not going sniper. I solod to OP10 without moxxxi guns, using nades like this.

[JagerJack]

Originally posted by ꧁Renfrew꧂:

Slag transfusion is something popularised by Zer0 players, so he is not being toxic just quoting the mindless things popularised by elitists. (remember when people believed Diamond Weisenheimer was rare because some guy on YT said so?)

Maya and Axton already have fantastic sustainability, using any form of healing grenade is wasted DPS potential, especially against Terra who is (debatably) the second easiest of raid bosses (Pyro Pete is first).

I don't like changing build for the boss, so I use the same build which only has SR.

Originally posted by Lord Gwyn:

Axton is better off with a damaging nade as he can do alot of DMG with these , Maya Has ways of self healing , zero can use it pretty well but still not needed , mechro can also use it well but also slag is better, krieg Has better nade damage boosts and Salvador is 50/50 as you can throw something like 2x fast ball for DPS or 2 healing nades for 2x healing.

Yeah, but Moxxi weapons waste my slot.

[dontu_worry]

Originally posted by ꧁Renfrew꧂:

@Lord Gwyn

Out of curiosity how do you maintain Zer0 sustainability? I am not a Zer0 main, so when I play Zer0 I use the Cher Amie for healing on sniper builds (the least overpowered of the Moxxi weapons, I try to avoid using them). But for melee and gun I use transfusion.

Not merely "quoting" anything, windbag. Rather, giving advice that is proven to work. It worked for me all the way to OP10, solo, NO moxxi crap. If you think I just watch "expert" videos and copy them, you're might be projecting. If I happen to use gear that follows the CW, maybe its because it just happens to work? I dont personally feel the need to scorn everything that happens to be usual or popular, like some contrarian tw4t. I use what works in my favorite zone along the struggle/ease continuum of gear and build choices. I dont care how many, if anyone else employs the same build and weapons.

[Renfrew]

Summary of that worthless garbage I skimmed through read: "I am mad that someone pointed out I use the same copy and paste garbage that everyone else does"

Originally posted by dontu_worry:

Not merely "quoting" anything, windbag.

That contradicts this:

Originally posted by dontu_worry:

Rather, giving advice that is proven to work.

Because unless you are trying to imply your proof is your own anecdote (which is worthless btw), you are indeed quoting the same thing everyone else does. You are literally saying your big brain playstyle is your own, and just happened to coincidentally line up with the same copy and paste stuff that elitists spout, but we all know that is a pathetic excuse, but you still tried to use it anyway. If you don't care how many people employ the same build you wouldn't get upset over someone pointing out that your build is copy + paste, but you did anyway.

Too easy...