Is anarchy on Gaige worth it?

[Mellewad]

I want to get into gaige and i have heard that anarchy is one of her best skills. But is the accuracy reduction worth the damage? If i wont be able to hit something 20m in front of me i might drop it.

[MelodramaticPeople]

Close enough and the nth degree more than make up for the accuracy loss

[Fredericks of Cursewood]

You can play on Normal without it and do alright. TVHM will become a challenge without it. UVHM is impossible without it.

For most Gaige players, its the only skill worth investing in. There are ways to mitigate some of the inaccuracy. Certain weapons don't need to be accurate. Think shotguns and rocket launchers.

[reddWALK3R]

Well her bullets will also bounce, so theyre bound to hot something anyways. But if you get close to the enemy with a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of anarch stacks, then it can cause damage like a mofo. Invest some of your skills in deathtraps damage. Helps alot when youre about to die and you summon him. Chaces are youll be back on your feet in no time.

[trukr]

I have played her a lot with only that one point in Ordered Chaos, but never without it. Close enough is needed.

[Agent Teto (offline for good)]

100% worth it

[z00t]

Anarchy (and DeathTrap) are what define Gaige as a character. Playing her without Anarchy is a bit like playing Axton and not throwing the turret out.
If you are wanting to play her as a typical sniper character, well, she isn't that good with a sniper rifle when she has stacks.
If you go down that tree to Discord (which you really should anyway) you get to control the Anarchy, and gain temporary accuracy.
So, something needs to be sniped. Discord and then start sniping. You get an accuracy increase and lose Anarchy stacks until you Discord again.

You do not need to go for Anarchy right away, but if you want to get anywhere with her, get used to not being accurate and sniping enemies at a distance. Close Enough will often kill any enemies you miss - bullets under the influence of Close Enough tend to aim at enemy crit spots.

Gaige + Close Enough + full stacks make enemies go splash. Overkill. And great fun. :)

[Mellewad]

Originally posted by z00t:

Anarchy (and DeathTrap) are what define Gaige as a character. Playing her without Anarchy is a bit like playing Axton and not throwing the turret out.
If you are wanting to play her as a typical sniper character, well, she isn't that good with a sniper rifle when she has stacks.
If you go down that tree to Discord (which you really should anyway) you get to control the Anarchy, and gain temporary accuracy.
So, something needs to be sniped. Discord and then start sniping. You get an accuracy increase and lose Anarchy stacks until you Discord again.

You do not need to go for Anarchy right away, but if you want to get anywhere with her, get used to not being accurate and sniping enemies at a distance. Close Enough will often kill any enemies you miss - bullets under the influence of Close Enough tend to aim at enemy crit spots.

Gaige + Close Enough + full stacks make enemies go splash. Overkill. And great fun. :)

I had no intention playing her as a sniper, the accuracy loss would suggest explosives and shottys. I was just wondering if it was worth the trade and you answered that. TY

[Fredericks of Cursewood]

I did a Gaige challenge run where I used only sniper rifles. This shot is from my testing.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1119917304

She can use snipers effectively at medium range to around 100 stacks of anarchy. For a comparison, at 60 stacks of anarchy Gaige put her bullet damage on par with Maya who is considered the second strongest sniper. Of course Maya's sniper abilities lie more with being able to phaselock than her actual damage.

Gaige + Lyuda + 150 stacks of Anarchy + Chaotic Evil Necromancer Com + Close Enough + Nth Degree is fairly effective.

The bad news from my testing is that anything that gives accuracy back to Gaige doesn't work. Prodigy class mods are pointless as the difference from using them seem to be too small to matter.

[z00t]

Originally posted by Fredericks of Cursewood:

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Of course Maya's sniper abilities lie more with being able to phaselock than her actual damage.
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Really? So Accelerate, Mind's Eye and Reaper have nothing to do with it?

Get a clue.

[Raceclimb]

is air worth breathing ?


one of the most powerful builds i know of is a Torgue only build based on Anarchy


the havy fire power combined with short magazines (many relaods) is just a sight to behold

[Fredericks of Cursewood]

Originally posted by z00t:

Originally posted by Fredericks of Cursewood:

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Of course Maya's sniper abilities lie more with being able to phaselock than her actual damage.
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Really? So Accelerate, Mind's Eye and Reaper have nothing to do with it?

Get a clue.

I went back and compared them with a few different guns and set ups.

First gun OP8 Purple Muckamuck, No Slag, No Amp, No Relic Boost, No BAR


Maya with 5 pts in Reaper, Accelerate, and Minds Eye and no Com.

Crit = 5055K

Gaige with 44 Stacks of Anarchy and no com.

Crit = 5070K

You are going to use a com. Maya's Legendary Siren is her best for sniper although the Cat is about the same.

Maya with a +39% Gun Damage from Leg Siren Com, 10/5 in Accerate, 10/5Minds Eye, and 5/5 Reaper.

Crit = 8062K

Gaige with 74 Stacks of Anarchy and Anarchist Com(+52% Gun Damage)

Crit = 8063K

Gaige with 76 Stacks of Anarchy and Chaotic Evil Necromancer Com (+52% Crit Bonus)

Crit = 8010K

Then I took a look at shock snipers. I used a Hyperian Competition and the same shock BoA(+34%) for both Maya and Gaige.

Maya again with the Siren Com and shock BoA

Crit = 5033K

Gaige with the Chaotic Evil Necromancer Com, 10/5 Wires Don't talk, and 53 stacks of anarchy

Crit = 5072K

Gaige's Damage at variaus stacks of Anarchy.

100 Stacks = 7237K
150 Stacks = 9540K
200 Stacks = 11,843K
Non crit at 201 Stacks = 2359K
Ricochet Hit with 201 Stacks = 1179K

In no way am I saying that Gaige is as good a sniper as Maya or Axton. She can use snipers effectively as long as you manage the anarchy well. Maya being able to use phaselock enemies is worth so much along with cloudkill. DT usually blocks your view or makes enemies turn so that you can get a good clear shot at their crit.

What I am saying is that Gaige can use snipers to progress through the game. A person just needs to know what their limitations are and how to manage the anarchy.

[HiTmAn]

gaige with 400 stacks and corrosive pimp killed bunker in 3 shot its 700% dmg buff

[Snarplord XVI]

Anarchy Gaige is way overpowered, especially combined with the Shredder and the Bee

[Apollyon. Black Edition.]

I play Gaige with No Anarchy on OP8 and having fun with that. But I had problems with mobbing from OP1 to OP8 till I took my Gear for OP8, but you can defenetly play Gaige with No Anarchy and feel good. BUT - Gaige isn't a character for Raids mostly. There is some examples where Gaige is absolutely Usless(IMHO) - Vorac, Hyperius and Dragons.

OKAY - she's not that BAD, but I dont think it's hell a lot of fun to stack non less than 400 stacks of Anarchy for one possible kill of any Boss. Maybe I'm wrong or Bad with Gaige(thats still possible) as Raid Bosses Killer, but for some Bosses I would prefer other character like Zer0 vs Hyperius, Salvador vs whatever or Axton with some builds.

Gaige is fun character I enjoy her much, but its not necessary to play only with Anarchy. If you have no plans to kill Raid Bosses and just wanna having fun with gameplay - play with No Anarchy. I know at least 3 tactics for Gaige - Elemental Gaige, Classic Anarchy Gaige, Melee Gaige(hardest build). So try that, you can reset your specs anytime, so ENJOY THE GAME!)