Top Non Grog Nozzle builds

[ImmortalTweety]

Hi. I watched quite some videos of builds and many use the grog nozzle as a source of healing. With 65% (?) healing this feels like a cheat though, so I was interested what would be your suggested top builds that are not using the grog nozzle and still be viable on OP8?

[Sir Tontonolous]

Exact same builds, but with the slagged Rubi instead.

[Renfrew]

The difference between 65% healing vs Rubi's 12% on UVHM OP10 is negligible, because of how much higher the damage is, so consequently anything you do will heal your level 80 HP bar instantly.

[RetsReds]

It's an item in the game, why would it be a cheat? In fact, it feels intentionally designed this way so that we can have the option of using it. :)

But yes, the Ruby is a great alternative as are the Heartbreaker and the Hail. The latter is even a quite powerful boss-killing weapon in its own right with the Bee shield once you get used to its unique bullet pattern. The Kitten is another decent option, it also has awesome close-range damage. The Good Touch & Bad Touch SMGs are good alternatives while levelling (just not great in the end-game).

Aside from Moxxi weapons, any defensive long-range build that takes little damage can survive in UVHM and the OP levels using transfusion grenades and healing skills - Zer0, Axton and Maya, in particular, can do that qutie easily as their playstyes are traditionally defensive.

[uNorthodoX]

I’m currently running a generic Sub Sequence Maya build on OP10 without the Grog (using a Slagga in its place) and it’s keeping me alive pretty well, as long as play carefully and stay behind cover. Maya’s Sweet Release skill basically acts like a kill skill transfusion grenade, and with sub sequence I can get my full health back in two kills. You can be more tankier with Maya by speccing into Life Tap, that basically turns you into a mini Moxxi weapon.

I’ve also seen people run sniper Zero without the Grog or any Moxxi weapons at all, they usually get their healing from transfusion nades and try to mitigate as much damage received as possible by using Deception at the right moments and picking their fights carefully.

Sal also has his Brawn skill tree, which can turn him into a tank aswell without the need for Moxxi guns.

You don’t really need the Grog if you’re just doing regular mobbing, unless you play really aggresively. IMO the only situations where you “need” a Grog are against raid bosses, on Digi-peak, and in the magic slaughter.

[HiTmAn]

on op levels u will get health gated a lot.. u need conistant healing wepon...only character witch can byepass that is maya and melee krieg.for regular mobbing u dont need grog but for anything harder u need it

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

Originally posted by HiTmAn:

on op levels u will get health gated a lot.. u need conistant healing wepon...only character witch can byepass that is maya and melee krieg.for regular mobbing u dont need grog but for anything harder u need it

it would be cool to see a Gunzerking build utilizing both the Grog Nozzle AND the Rubi together, just to see how ridiculous (and interesting) things really get

[uNorthodoX]

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

Originally posted by HiTmAn:

on op levels u will get health gated a lot.. u need conistant healing wepon...only character witch can byepass that is maya and melee krieg.for regular mobbing u dont need grog but for anything harder u need it

it would be cool to see a Gunzerking build utilizing both the Grog Nozzle AND the Rubi together, just to see how ridiculous (and interesting) things really get

It could work, but it wouldn't be too different from a regular Grog + other pistol build as the 65% from the Grog already makes you virtually immortal so the added 12% from the Rubi is wasted, but you'd be lacking in DPS.

[Draekus]

it might help if you stated which Character.

[green]

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

Originally posted by HiTmAn:

on op levels u will get health gated a lot.. u need conistant healing wepon...only character witch can byepass that is maya and melee krieg.for regular mobbing u dont need grog but for anything harder u need it

it would be cool to see a Gunzerking build utilizing both the Grog Nozzle AND the Rubi together, just to see how ridiculous (and interesting) things really get

A Medicserker build. He dual wields the grog and rubi, while throwing out two transfusions.

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

Originally posted by Hunter in the Green Vest:

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

it would be cool to see a Gunzerking build utilizing both the Grog Nozzle AND the Rubi together, just to see how ridiculous (and interesting) things really get

A Medicserker build. He dual wields the grog and rubi, while throwing out two transfusions. :medicon:

exactly